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Old 01-03-2024, 07:45 PM
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Can anyone share what the expected salary range of a
fresh phd grad applying for a mngr/snr mngr position in a SB

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Old 02-03-2024, 09:50 AM
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Can anyone share what the expected salary range of a
fresh phd grad applying for a mngr/snr mngr position in a SB

15,000 SGD is your expected.
It will be negotiated down to 6000 SGD
In the end you will not land the job as you cant be made manager/senior mngr even as fresh phd grad.
Go teach or join as dep mngr first.

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Old 02-03-2024, 11:38 AM
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MX11A or MX10 if things fall into place.
This right here. I think about 15 - 20 years ago, regular graduate non-scholarship civil servants were expected to end their careers at MX10 (SAD/DD).

However, in 2013 or 2014, MX11A was introduced as a speed bump to MX10, and it's clear that at this point in time, the vast majority of regular graduates will end their careers here. Some will get to MX10 as DD, and a very small number will make it to director as vanilla MX9s (i.e. on their org's fast track, but not on the Public Service Leadership Programme), but only heading corporate divisions (e.g. HR, finance, planning).

Policy director roles are reserved for 'scholars'.

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Old 02-03-2024, 03:18 PM
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Got offered $8k plus for an AD position in a ministry. 10 years experience. Ppl always complained civil servants having a good and stable life. Actually the pay is really not attractive as compared to private sector.
I keep seeing this kind of dumb posts.

Dumbfks want the security of the public sector with the high pay of the private sector.


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Old 02-03-2024, 07:17 PM
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15,000 SGD is your expected.
It will be negotiated down to 6000 SGD
In the end you will not land the job as you cant be made manager/senior mngr even as fresh phd grad.
Go teach or join as dep mngr first.
Thats what i thought initially and just tried my luck applying.
I ended up getting an interview and was told to provide my referees after the interview.
When talking about the expected salary range after providing my referee,
I was verbally given a range of 3.5k to 4k expected by the hr. This range was below my expected salary range of about 5k+ to 6k+ (after checking on what the range for the role should be)

So i questioned if my research on the range was wrong and was looking for a second opinion

Is it possible that things like relevancy of the qualification bring down the salary that much? Or will the salary differs this greatly depending on which SB it is?

(My degree is not relevant to the role i applied although the JD is relevant TO what I have worked on in my phd research)
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Can anyone share what the expected salary range of a
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No difference as a fresh Uni grad
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This right here. I think about 15 - 20 years ago, regular graduate non-scholarship civil servants were expected to end their careers at MX10 (SAD/DD).

However, in 2013 or 2014, MX11A was introduced as a speed bump to MX10, and it's clear that at this point in time, the vast majority of regular graduates will end their careers here. Some will get to MX10 as DD, and a very small number will make it to director as vanilla MX9s (i.e. on their org's fast track, but not on the Public Service Leadership Programme), but only heading corporate divisions (e.g. HR, finance, planning).

Policy director roles are reserved for 'scholars'.
Having to end the career at 11A is strange as we would expect more to make it to mx10 given that more ppl will aspire to reach higher with their qualifications. Would expect at least 50% to make it to MX10 if they stay long enough?
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Having to end the career at 11A is strange as we would expect more to make it to mx10 given that more ppl will aspire to reach higher with their qualifications. Would expect at least 50% to make it to MX10 if they stay long enough?
I suspect only about 5% make it to MX9 (Director), and maybe an additional 15% to MX10.
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if im offered with a salary of 6800+ , is that MX11 or MX11a grade?
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I suspect only about 5% make it to MX9 (Director), and maybe an additional 15% to MX10.
I originally posted about most people topping out at MX11A - I think your estimate isn't too far off. To the previous poster who mentioned greater aspirations, one has to bear in mind that there are more graduates than before, and hence more MXes entering the system.

Capping people at MX11A helps to control manpower costs, but it's not great for morale when you see unexperienced scholarship holders being pushed up to MX10 DD level (plus they have additional PSLP allowances on top of the basic MX11A salary) in their early 30s (though the question of course would be whether anyone really cares about the morale of the non-scholarship holders in the first place).
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