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Old 30-11-2023, 12:45 AM
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2022] GEO3: 3900-6250
[2022] GEO4: 4800-7700
[2022] GEO5: 5150-8250

This is the current salary range for geo3-5. Assuming an average performer gets a $200 annual merit increment you're looking at ~11 years to go from 3900 - 6250. How would a person be able to hit the salary ceiling in the time u claim. Anyway, for the average performer at the very latest, they will get promoted in their 7th year. If you're taking longer than that, "bottom of the barrel" applies.

As I mentioned, the wide salary range gives rise to unhappiness. If geo4 was split into 2, from 4800 - 6200 and 6200 - 7700, what would be lost?
How to reach ceiling?

Because most GEO3s don't begin at 3900?

Fresh out of uni GEO2s are already drawing that.

FCH starting salaries was around 4300 last time. Higher with the most recent adjustments.
Slightly more for males with NS increment.
Cohort promotion to GEO3 will increase salary by another $500 or more.

Annual increment is not a fixed sum for everyone. It is based on a percentage of one's salaries. The higher your base pay, the higher your increment.
Increment roughly around 2-3%.

Quite common to hit geo3 ceiling in 5-6 years.

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Old 30-11-2023, 01:58 AM
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I took 5 years to move from GEO 3 to 4 then another 7 years from GEO 4 to 5.

Not holding any position, mostly Cs with occasional B and C+ right before promotion

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How to reach ceiling?

Because most GEO3s don't begin at 3900?

Fresh out of uni GEO2s are already drawing that.

FCH starting salaries was around 4300 last time. Higher with the most recent adjustments.
Slightly more for males with NS increment.
Cohort promotion to GEO3 will increase salary by another $500 or more.

Annual increment is not a fixed sum for everyone. It is based on a percentage of one's salaries. The higher your base pay, the higher your increment.
Increment roughly around 2-3%.

Quite common to hit geo3 ceiling in 5-6 years.
Why must take FCH? People with first class are at the very top by definition aboto start with. Note that this is about their educational and not work performance. So to use an FCH person and say "it's common to max the salary ceiling is absurd as an FCH person is a tiny minority

Let's use a truly average person then

Starting salary= 3900
Year 1 (cohort promotion) 3900 +700 =4600
Year 2-6 (annual MI) = 4600 +(200 x5) =5600

Where is the maxing the salary cap in 4-6 years come about? I'm here using numbers to show how it's not possible for an "average person". So for the people claiming that an "average person" can max in 5-6 years with a C grade, show your working pls.

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Why must take FCH? People with first class are at the very top by definition aboto start with. Note that this is about their educational and not work performance. So to use an FCH person and say "it's common to max the salary ceiling is absurd as an FCH person is a tiny minority

Let's use a truly average person then

Starting salary= 3900
Year 1 (cohort promotion) 3900 +700 =4600
Year 2-6 (annual MI) = 4600 +(200 x5) =5600

Where is the maxing the salary cap in 4-6 years come about? I'm here using numbers to show how it's not possible for an "average person". So for the people claiming that an "average person" can max in 5-6 years with a C grade, show your working pls.
wtf. My cohort promotion in 2018 I only got +475.

Nowadays cohort promotion +700??

Also starting salaries all above 4k now, including for second upper, second lower
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Why must take FCH? People with first class are at the very top by definition aboto start with. Note that this is about their educational and not work performance. So to use an FCH person and say "it's common to max the salary ceiling is absurd as an FCH person is a tiny minority

Let's use a truly average person then

Starting salary= 3900
Year 1 (cohort promotion) 3900 +700 =4600
Year 2-6 (annual MI) = 4600 +(200 x5) =5600

Where is the maxing the salary cap in 4-6 years come about? I'm here using numbers to show how it's not possible for an "average person". So for the people claiming that an "average person" can max in 5-6 years with a C grade, show your working pls.
GEO3 here (4th year in grade). Your math is correct.
I'm a 2UCH and my numbers match yours. MI was slightly lower during Covid but this was balanced out by a 9% salary revision.

I will likely max out in another 3+ years.

Just wanted to add. Indeed FCH are a minority of a graduating cohort. However, with more selective and decreased hiring, and with a large % of GEO3s being scholars... large proportion of GEO3s are going to be FCH or 2UCH. Anyway, FCH and 2UCH now command the same starting salary - one of MOE's moves to "de-emphasise" on grades and qualifications.
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wtf. My cohort promotion in 2018 I only got +475.

Nowadays cohort promotion +700??

Also starting salaries all above 4k now, including for second upper, second lower
Total GEO2(T) and GEO3 promotion should add up to 700.
Starting salary for PDGE at GEO2(UT) is around what the OP mentioned.
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Why must take FCH? People with first class are at the very top by definition aboto start with. Note that this is about their educational and not work performance. So to use an FCH person and say "it's common to max the salary ceiling is absurd as an FCH person is a tiny minority

Let's use a truly average person then

Starting salary= 3900
Year 1 (cohort promotion) 3900 +700 =4600
Year 2-6 (annual MI) = 4600 +(200 x5) =5600

Where is the maxing the salary cap in 4-6 years come about? I'm here using numbers to show how it's not possible for an "average person". So for the people claiming that an "average person" can max in 5-6 years with a C grade, show your working pls.
Your numbers are correct. I'm a GEO3 (4th year in grade) and my numbers are around the same as your calculations. Starting salary being during PDGE. Lower MI during Covid was balanced with the salary revision. I should max out in another 3+ years if I'm still GEO3.

Anyway, most MOE hires nowadays are FCH or 2UCH especially with the more selective hiring. Don't forget that so many are scholars. FCH and 2UCH have the same starting salary in my batch.
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I took 5 years to move from GEO 3 to 4 then another 7 years from GEO 4 to 5.

Not holding any position, mostly Cs with occasional B and C+ right before promotion
Thank you for sharing! Sounds about right.
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Timing and luck is everything

I gotten 4 C+ and 1 B and still stuck in Geo 3, 8 years liao.

Not surprising. Promotion rate is slower these days. Maybe your CEP is low. But assuming 5 grades (4 C+ and 1 B) in GEO3, your promotion to GEO4 is about due, just going by duration in grade. In my school, the average performers (C and C+) take 6-8 years to be promoted. Hope you get your promotion next year!
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for those shocked about the higher starting base and larger increments for the freshly hired - this is to make the career attractive for the first 3 - 4 years. otherwise the ministry will lose out to other industries. however the compensation will also stagnate very quickly compared to other industries.

anyway, somehow the debates in the previous posts are missing the main point.

there are groups of people who hit their ceilings earlier and there are some who take longer. but the main point is the people on top don't take such things into consideration for promotions.

this is also the reason why the resignation rate is actually higher for the younger officers while the older ones (who have nowhere to go) stay since they don't have much choice.
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