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Old 30-11-2023, 11:03 AM
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for those shocked about the higher starting base and larger increments for the freshly hired - this is to make the career attractive for the first 3 - 4 years. otherwise the ministry will lose out to other industries. however the compensation will also stagnate very quickly compared to other industries.

anyway, somehow the debates in the previous posts are missing the main point.

there are groups of people who hit their ceilings earlier and there are some who take longer. but the main point is the people on top don't take such things into consideration for promotions.

this is also the reason why the resignation rate is actually higher for the younger officers while the older ones (who have nowhere to go) stay since they don't have much choice.
MOE already lose to other ministries, don't need to say other industries. Lol. The progression is a joke. Yes, teaching is a calling and students are at the heart of everything we do. But to have some form of career aspirations is also human. No matter how much you serve with your heart, hentak kaki (whether in terms of salary, or appointment, or both) is sooner or later demoralising.

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MOE already lose to other ministries, don't need to say other industries. Lol. The progression is a joke. Yes, teaching is a calling and students are at the heart of everything we do. But to have some form of career aspirations is also human. No matter how much you serve with your heart, hentak kaki (whether in terms of salary, or appointment, or both) is sooner or later demoralising.
I do agree with your viewpoint. I am so much happier teaching in the classroom and interacting with students.I do harbour career aspirations and I do compare to how my PGDE peers did in their teaching careers as compare to mine. I won’t go into details but I am doing relatively ok but I am at a point of my life whereby I hope to take things a bit slower and focus more on my own kids. But it’s so hard to do that in Singapore considering the mortgage pressure and standard of living that I am used to. Anyone form of advice or words of wisdom are truly appreciated.

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I do agree with your viewpoint. I am so much happier teaching in the classroom and interacting with students.I do harbour career aspirations and I do compare to how my PGDE peers did in their teaching careers as compare to mine. I won’t go into details but I am doing relatively ok but I am at a point of my life whereby I hope to take things a bit slower and focus more on my own kids. But it’s so hard to do that in Singapore considering the mortgage pressure and standard of living that I am used to. Anyone form of advice or words of wisdom are truly appreciated.
A Geo3 maxes at 6200. Can someone earning 6200 really say that they are struggling to survive financially?

I'm sure someone will come by and say "what about taking care of aged parents??" if that's really the case, even 10k salary not enough k

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MOE already lose to other ministries, don't need to say other industries. Lol. The progression is a joke. Yes, teaching is a calling and students are at the heart of everything we do. But to have some form of career aspirations is also human. No matter how much you serve with your heart, hentak kaki (whether in terms of salary, or appointment, or both) is sooner or later demoralising.
Hentak kaki in terms of real income is real. Sure they give 2% every April and 5% last October. But how much has CoL increased?

The number goes up but the real purchasing power drop drop drop like grapes

Everywhere also same. Public sector, private sector, all like that.
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for those shocked about the higher starting base and larger increments for the freshly hired - this is to make the career attractive for the first 3 - 4 years. otherwise the ministry will lose out to other industries. however the compensation will also stagnate very quickly compared to other industries.

anyway, somehow the debates in the previous posts are missing the main point.

there are groups of people who hit their ceilings earlier and there are some who take longer. but the main point is the people on top don't take such things into consideration for promotions.

this is also the reason why the resignation rate is actually higher for the younger officers while the older ones (who have nowhere to go) stay since they don't have much choice.
Need to point out that for those who quit, there are quite a few who couldn't find a better job and end up becoming FAJT and trying to get back into the teaching system.
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aiyo teacher life so good u see how many are on holiday now
per year got so much free holiday not counting annual leave
really paid too much in this day and age
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Total compensation is rather decent plus stability which makes this sector worth consideration. If go private have to prepare to slog it out and no certain of retaining in your forties and fifties.
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Need to point out that for those who quit, there are quite a few who couldn't find a better job and end up becoming FAJT and trying to get back into the teaching system.
It's the expectations actually. There are also many who never looked back. Many who started from scratch elsewhere and are happy.

Those who wish to come back are the usually the ones expecting other industries to match their last drawn salary, which is almost impossible because most industries don't see "teaching" as a relevant skillset. The skillsets in education are seen as non-transferable by others.

Hence, for those hired here - either stay and accept everything, or leave and start from scratch outside. It's a choice I guess.
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aiyo teacher life so good u see how many are on holiday now
per year got so much free holiday not counting annual leave
really paid too much in this day and age
Annual leave your head.

Teachers get more holidays than most people get annual leave, that's true. About 2 weeks in June and 2.5 to 3.5 weeks in December. That's about 25 working days per year. But the tradeoff is that they can only travel during those times, and are not allowed to take any vacation leave outside of these periods.

There is work during the school holidays too. Who is going to do the planning for next year?
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All those private sector think they jin satki one,

come into a classroom with 40+ Gen Z teens with diverse learning readiness and achieve all the lesson outcomes without a single one of them getting bored of your **** and start watching on their PLD

Very easy job, teachers overpaid af
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