Lawyer Salary

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yes in the lower courts that is largely the case, you go MC and DC and even FJC that is really the main value add that lawyers bring - the other one is also that laymen simply intimidated by other side having lawyer

The default is laymen can do it themselves in the lower courts - now the year 2023 every other mother son got uni degree and can read/write basic English

The courts recognise this, hence the recent push to simplify procedure and statutes to make them more accessible

The problems for most laymen is (1) the time/trouble to attend court, like mentions and case conferences, it's during the working day and need to take leave and (2) compiling evidence necessary to make out their case

(1) also lagi worse if you got to drag bailor to attend together

Generally (1) the issue is not procedure, JO will usually tell you what happens next, like OK we go for mediation liao and also just fix date/time to do something like exchange docs

(1) for most laymen can solve by paying lawyer to attend so their own attendance dispensed with

(2) also most laymen can solve by paying lawyer to filter out their nonsense, anyone who has done community law can tell you what lay client tell you or forward to you is 99% irrelevant to the case and ask a lot of stupid questions that are also irrelevant to the case or just speculative

Thanks for the explanation. Curious - why not try to nip it at the letter of demand stage?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yes in the lower courts that is largely the case, you go MC and DC and even FJC that is really the main value add that lawyers bring - the other one is also that laymen simply intimidated by other side having lawyer

The default is laymen can do it themselves in the lower courts - now the year 2023 every other mother son got uni degree and can read/write basic English

The courts recognise this, hence the recent push to simplify procedure and statutes to make them more accessible

The problems for most laymen is (1) the time/trouble to attend court, like mentions and case conferences, it's during the working day and need to take leave and (2) compiling evidence necessary to make out their case

(1) also lagi worse if you got to drag bailor to attend together

Generally (1) the issue is not procedure, JO will usually tell you what happens next, like OK we go for mediation liao and also just fix date/time to do something like exchange docs

(1) for most laymen can solve by paying lawyer to attend so their own attendance dispensed with

(2) also most laymen can solve by paying lawyer to filter out their nonsense, anyone who has done community law can tell you what lay client tell you or forward to you is 99% irrelevant to the case and ask a lot of stupid questions that are also irrelevant to the case or just speculative

With all due respect, I thought that this was in fact better for society as a whole, that people are becoming more aware of their rights and basic legal principles. This would allow lawyers to venture into other areas of law which requires more attention.

This is also in response to a previous post that lawyering was once reserved for nobles. So I thought it great actually, that more laypeople are becoming more informed.

For the low bono lawyers, perhaps the emphasis could be pivoted to conveyancing or wills and probate and CTC of documents? Just a thought.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Thanks for the explanation. Curious - why not try to nip it at the letter of demand stage?

Nip what? Imagine your wife cheated on you and f**ked her lover on your marital bed while you were overseas for a work trip, and now she wants to divorce you, claim maintenance (aka alimony), 50% over your assets and care & control over your 2 kids.

Are you going to nip the case in the bud by rolling over and giving into her demands just so that you avoid confrontation?

Court disputes are as much a way to vindicate feelings as they are to vindicate legal rights.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Nip what? Imagine your wife cheated on you and f**ked her lover on your marital bed while you were overseas for a work trip, and now she wants to divorce you, claim maintenance (aka alimony), 50% over your assets and care & control over your 2 kids.

Are you going to nip the case in the bud by rolling over and giving into her demands just so that you avoid confrontation?

Court disputes are as much a way to vindicate feelings as they are to vindicate legal rights.

Yes, I understand. So if it’s so complicated, won’t they need lawyers??

So this wouldn’t fall under a litigant in person scenario, right?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yes, I understand. So if it’s so complicated, won’t they need lawyers??

So this wouldn’t fall under a litigant in person scenario, right?

It's not complicated in terms of law

It's complicated cos of feelings

If you cannot master your own emotions cos every time you think of another man kukujiao enter her mouth then you have to go thru lawyer lah. Or if you poor ask your mother in law or w/e

BMWL 2PQE pay?

I guess transactional lawyers are safe??

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Can the "2023 Part B impossible" poster stop replying to yourself, mods on this forum sleeping istg

We're here for the salary discussion, find another shoulder to cry on because nobody who's passed gives a crap lmao

We've got enough collective IQ here to turn the rest of ASEAN into First World Countries - kindly spare 1 or 2 brain cells and update this kamsahamnida

BMWL (2020)
NQ - 7.5
1PQE - 8.5
2PQE - 9.5
3PQE - N/A

WP (2020)
NQ - 5.4
1PQE - 6.8
2PQE - 8.0
3PQE - 10

D&N (2020)
NQ - 5.8
1PQE - 6.4 - 6.8
2PQE - 8.0
3PQE - 9.2

A&G (2020)
NQ - 5.6
1PQE - 6.6
2PQE - 7.6
3PQE - 9.0

R&T (2020)
NQ - 5.8
1PQE - 5.8 - 6.6
2PQE - 7.2 - 7.6
3PQE - 8.0 - 8.8 - 9.3

DRD (2020)
NQ - 4.8 - 5.0
1PQE - 6.3
2PQE - 7.5
3PQE - 8.5

SLB (2020)
NQ - 5.4
1PQE - N/A
2PQE - N/A
3PQE - N/A

most are already updated at sglegaljobs.com, people from the other firms need to just email them the rest of salary info and can get rid of this cesspool of a forum

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Nip what? Imagine your wife cheated on you and f**ked her lover on your marital bed while you were overseas for a work trip, and now she wants to divorce you, claim maintenance (aka alimony), 50% over your assets and care & control over your 2 kids.

Are you going to nip the case in the bud by rolling over and giving into her demands just so that you avoid confrontation?

Court disputes are as much a way to vindicate feelings as they are to vindicate legal rights.

I would advise my client whether is she cheats or he cheats, it doesnt matter
Save the fees. No need to go to court as the judgement would be the same

Originally Posted by Unregistered

With all due respect, I thought that this was in fact better for society as a whole, that people are becoming more aware of their rights and basic legal principles. This would allow lawyers to venture into other areas of law which requires more attention.

This is also in response to a previous post that lawyering was once reserved for nobles. So I thought it great actually, that more laypeople are becoming more informed.

For the low bono lawyers, perhaps the emphasis could be pivoted to conveyancing or wills and probate and CTC of documents? Just a thought.

I agree with you. These days, everyone has a decent minimum standard of education. The law is not as inscrutable/inaccessible as it once was.