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Originally Posted by Unregistered

traineeship dont sound like a official role in the company. looks like a internship kind of thing.
if that is the case, then below 2k is possible.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Gotta be more forthcoming if you want to have a meaningful discussion here.

Seriously:
-what local uni are you from? (If it's a local private they might put on on diploma scheme I've heard)
-are you joining on the mx scheme?
-since you mention traineeship, what is that for? Trainee to become a lawyer? Engineer?

I'm from NUS, and I graduated last December right before COVID. Not comfortable sharing too much about the rest since I'm not sure if my employer lurks around these forums, but training is mainly for product knowledge + OJT for a support role.

My actual question was if I should negotiate my salary since it was stated on the contract that the upper end of the salary range for the training role is about 3.5k. While I'm not the best NUS graduate available on the market, I'm pretty sure that I'm worth at least more than a 2.2k salary especially since I've even taken on a related role in an internship before and am not entering the job as someone entirely untrained outside of the specific product knowledge.

It's technically not a traineeship, since all I'm learning is the product knowledge rather than a trade (though, honestly, I'm not sure about how you'd define a traineeship ). It's just that they are putting new hires on probation to see how well they can apply the knowledge during their OJT.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm from NUS, and I graduated last December right before COVID. Not comfortable sharing too much about the rest since I'm not sure if my employer lurks around these forums, but training is mainly for product knowledge + OJT for a support role.

My actual question was if I should negotiate my salary since it was stated on the contract that the upper end of the salary range for the training role is about 3.5k. While I'm not the best NUS graduate available on the market, I'm pretty sure that I'm worth at least more than a 2.2k salary especially since I've even taken on a related role in an internship before and am not entering the job as someone entirely untrained outside of the specific product knowledge.

It's technically not a traineeship, since all I'm learning is the product knowledge rather than a trade (though, honestly, I'm not sure about how you'd define a traineeship ). It's just that they are putting new hires on probation to see how well they can apply the knowledge during their OJT.

Thanks for sharing. Guess you could try negotiating. Not sure if they would be amenable since the contract has already been entered into. I note that this isn't classified as a real "job" too, even though I'm sure you work very hard at it no less.

Good luck anyway, negotiating salary is never an easy thing to do. I started out as a law trainee with a pay of $500 a month several years back. My family had to support me and I felt like the ultimate failure. You already have a better starting point.

I never knew that such traineeships with the public service existed btw.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm from NUS, and I graduated last December right before COVID. Not comfortable sharing too much about the rest since I'm not sure if my employer lurks around these forums, but training is mainly for product knowledge + OJT for a support role.

My actual question was if I should negotiate my salary since it was stated on the contract that the upper end of the salary range for the training role is about 3.5k. While I'm not the best NUS graduate available on the market, I'm pretty sure that I'm worth at least more than a 2.2k salary especially since I've even taken on a related role in an internship before and am not entering the job as someone entirely untrained outside of the specific product knowledge.

It's technically not a traineeship, since all I'm learning is the product knowledge rather than a trade (though, honestly, I'm not sure about how you'd define a traineeship ). It's just that they are putting new hires on probation to see how well they can apply the knowledge during their OJT.

if you are joining CS for a full time job role as a uni grad, you pay should not be lower than 2.8-3k.
i believe this role you got may be some adhoc or specialise openings where SB train a group of you, provide training and eventually convert selected ones to a full time role

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm from NUS, and I graduated last December right before COVID. Not comfortable sharing too much about the rest since I'm not sure if my employer lurks around these forums, but training is mainly for product knowledge + OJT for a support role.

My actual question was if I should negotiate my salary since it was stated on the contract that the upper end of the salary range for the training role is about 3.5k. While I'm not the best NUS graduate available on the market, I'm pretty sure that I'm worth at least more than a 2.2k salary especially since I've even taken on a related role in an internship before and am not entering the job as someone entirely untrained outside of the specific product knowledge.

It's technically not a traineeship, since all I'm learning is the product knowledge rather than a trade (though, honestly, I'm not sure about how you'd define a traineeship ). It's just that they are putting new hires on probation to see how well they can apply the knowledge during their OJT.

No. I'm sorry to be an ass about this but i think it needs to be said.

(1) What you've done in the past has nothing to do with your worth to the company. You can hold a phd in a subject, but until you prove that you can bring in revenue of at least 3 times your asking pay on a consistent basis, you are not worth 3.5k. [1 part to you, 1 part to cover overheads, 1 part profits] You are a support role, which sucks because that means you're a cost-center not a profit-center.

(2) From a company perspective, traineeships are useful for 2 reasons. First, cheap labour. Second, goodwill/generosity + talent pipeline. If labour is not cheap, and i still have to put additional pressure on senior staff members to guide and train.... goodwill and generosity goes away pretty quickly.

Prove your worth in your first year, get some SOLID QUANTIFIABLE results, then negotiate for a higher salary. Right now, all you're saying is "i have no real world experience but im from nus and have done internships, please pay me more." This is ********.

Side note: even lawyers who go to NUS for 4 years and then sit the bar exam for 6 months only learn 2k - 2.5k for their time in training (6mths to a year). Even after training, they are not guaranteed a job as an associate. Big4 audit starts at 2.7k and it remains low for 3 years until they get qualified.

Please use this forum as it was intended.

(3) Last point. "It's technically not a traineeship, since all I'm learning is the product knowledge rather than a trade" Can you work without the training? If i throw you in without "product knowledge", can you produce results for me that meet professionally expected standards? Can you meet targets of permanent staff members?

Doubt it.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm from NUS, and I graduated last December right before COVID. Not comfortable sharing too much about the rest since I'm not sure if my employer lurks around these forums, but training is mainly for product knowledge + OJT for a support role.

My actual question was if I should negotiate my salary since it was stated on the contract that the upper end of the salary range for the training role is about 3.5k. While I'm not the best NUS graduate available on the market, I'm pretty sure that I'm worth at least more than a 2.2k salary especially since I've even taken on a related role in an internship before and am not entering the job as someone entirely untrained outside of the specific product knowledge.

It's technically not a traineeship, since all I'm learning is the product knowledge rather than a trade (though, honestly, I'm not sure about how you'd define a traineeship ). It's just that they are putting new hires on probation to see how well they can apply the knowledge during their OJT.

If you feel strongly against the 2.2k, then suggest u go for the nego with a strong basis. Perhaps the related internship could be a start. Everything else you’ve mentioned... is pretty weak IMO (you mentioned not being the best NUS grad, how about not being the ONLY nus grad available?).

Having said that, 2.2K does sound Low for local fresh grad (not Sure much is due to the nature of employment being traineeship). Will there be adjustments after the stint? Perhaps they peg you to perm staff rate once u are properly onboarded? No harm asking for more info to properly assess your options.

How likely is it for a non-scholar/ non-PSLP to reach entry-level MX superscale in the late 30s/ early 40s? What does it take? Or is it simply a pipedream?

Hi , just want to ask if I am earning 12k now in private sector, is it still advisable to join public service?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi , just want to ask if I am earning 12k now in private sector, is it still advisable to join public service?

What is your job function and role?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

No. I'm sorry to be an ass about this but i think it needs to be said.

(1) What you've done in the past has nothing to do with your worth to the company. You can hold a phd in a subject, but until you prove that you can bring in revenue of at least 3 times your asking pay on a consistent basis, you are not worth 3.5k. [1 part to you, 1 part to cover overheads, 1 part profits] You are a support role, which sucks because that means you're a cost-center not a profit-center.

(2) From a company perspective, traineeships are useful for 2 reasons. First, cheap labour. Second, goodwill/generosity + talent pipeline. If labour is not cheap, and i still have to put additional pressure on senior staff members to guide and train.... goodwill and generosity goes away pretty quickly.

Prove your worth in your first year, get some SOLID QUANTIFIABLE results, then negotiate for a higher salary. Right now, all you're saying is "i have no real world experience but im from nus and have done internships, please pay me more." This is ********.

Side note: even lawyers who go to NUS for 4 years and then sit the bar exam for 6 months only learn 2k - 2.5k for their time in training (6mths to a year). Even after training, they are not guaranteed a job as an associate. Big4 audit starts at 2.7k and it remains low for 3 years until they get qualified.

Please use this forum as it was intended.

(3) Last point. "It's technically not a traineeship, since all I'm learning is the product knowledge rather than a trade" Can you work without the training? If i throw you in without "product knowledge", can you produce results for me that meet professionally expected standards? Can you meet targets of permanent staff members?

Doubt it.

Well said! Keep the fresh grads in check

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi , just want to ask if I am earning 12k now in private sector, is it still advisable to join public service?

Dont need think. They cant afford you la. What u job in private?