Q: Big4 - Yearly salary increment

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You don't have to read 668 pages of this thread to know what I think about the money.

Hey don’t look at me, I’m not your manager or partner?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I really cannot understand why auditors need to work until 3am or weekends.

Audit isn't driving deals or transactions or anything like bankers or PE do. Neither is it about doing trading like S&T or commodities tradings. Or doing high level strat transformation like consulting.

Audit is essentially doing checks on financial reporting. It is at best a supportive role to the financial and corporate markets.

Something is seriously wrong with the entire industry structurally, if auditors need to work bankers' hours. At a fraction of their salary.

Let me share with you my experience, not sure whether others can related to this or not.

What I observed is that sometimes we OT for the sake of OT. I used to work on a job that required us to work from 9 am to 3 am. But, in the morning up till lunchtime, we were like zombies and couldn't even focus on the screen. It was super unproductive and most of the time we just spent those few hours checking emails and organising folders.

Then, after lunch, we started to gain more 'consciousness' and started doing work at normal speed. Dinner usually took about 2 hours (seriously, 1 hour would be sufficient, but for some reason, it just dragged for 2 hours).

After midnight, we were just so exhausted and zoned out and became inefficient again. Not much work was actually done after midnight.

In the end, we could actually finish all the work before various reporting deadlines. However, as you can see, from 9 am to 3 am, much time was actually unproductive and wasted:
- 9 am till lunchtime (zombie-like)
- dinnertime (dragged for too long)
- midnight to 3 am (zoned out)

If those unneccessary hours can be shortened/removed so that we can get more rest to channel our energy into the normal working hours (9 am to 6 am), we can be more productive and still finish the work on time...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Let me share with you my experience, not sure whether others can related to this or not.

What I observed is that sometimes we OT for the sake of OT. I used to work on a job that required us to work from 9 am to 3 am. But, in the morning up till lunchtime, we were like zombies and couldn't even focus on the screen. It was super unproductive and most of the time we just spent those few hours checking emails and organising folders.

Then, after lunch, we started to gain more 'consciousness' and started doing work at normal speed. Dinner usually took about 2 hours (seriously, 1 hour would be sufficient, but for some reason, it just dragged for 2 hours).

After midnight, we were just so exhausted and zoned out and became inefficient again. Not much work was actually done after midnight.

In the end, we could actually finish all the work before various reporting deadlines. However, as you can see, from 9 am to 3 am, much time was actually unproductive and wasted:
- 9 am till lunchtime (zombie-like)
- dinnertime (dragged for too long)
- midnight to 3 am (zoned out)

If those unneccessary hours can be shortened/removed so that we can get more rest to channel our energy into the normal working hours (9 am to 6 am), we can be more productive and still finish the work on time...

the snowball began decades ago. Now the snowball is so big and has its own inertia.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Let me share with you my experience, not sure whether others can related to this or not.

What I observed is that sometimes we OT for the sake of OT. I used to work on a job that required us to work from 9 am to 3 am. But, in the morning up till lunchtime, we were like zombies and couldn't even focus on the screen. It was super unproductive and most of the time we just spent those few hours checking emails and organising folders.

Then, after lunch, we started to gain more 'consciousness' and started doing work at normal speed. Dinner usually took about 2 hours (seriously, 1 hour would be sufficient, but for some reason, it just dragged for 2 hours).

After midnight, we were just so exhausted and zoned out and became inefficient again. Not much work was actually done after midnight.

In the end, we could actually finish all the work before various reporting deadlines. However, as you can see, from 9 am to 3 am, much time was actually unproductive and wasted:
- 9 am till lunchtime (zombie-like)
- dinnertime (dragged for too long)
- midnight to 3 am (zoned out)

If those unneccessary hours can be shortened/removed so that we can get more rest to channel our energy into the normal working hours (9 am to 6 am), we can be more productive and still finish the work on time...

This is so spot on.. applies to so many industries and jobs

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Let me share with you my experience, not sure whether others can related to this or not.

What I observed is that sometimes we OT for the sake of OT. I used to work on a job that required us to work from 9 am to 3 am. But, in the morning up till lunchtime, we were like zombies and couldn't even focus on the screen. It was super unproductive and most of the time we just spent those few hours checking emails and organising folders.

Then, after lunch, we started to gain more 'consciousness' and started doing work at normal speed. Dinner usually took about 2 hours (seriously, 1 hour would be sufficient, but for some reason, it just dragged for 2 hours).

After midnight, we were just so exhausted and zoned out and became inefficient again. Not much work was actually done after midnight.

In the end, we could actually finish all the work before various reporting deadlines. However, as you can see, from 9 am to 3 am, much time was actually unproductive and wasted:
- 9 am till lunchtime (zombie-like)
- dinnertime (dragged for too long)
- midnight to 3 am (zoned out)

If those unneccessary hours can be shortened/removed so that we can get more rest to channel our energy into the normal working hours (9 am to 6 am), we can be more productive and still finish the work on time...

Sry no. I assumed u still new. These unproductive timing u wan to removed is a bad suggestion. They are billable hours for client to feel/see the fee they paying is worth it (even u dontt timesheeting them in). It has been like this for decades. Some ppl see working for more than 16hrs is achievement as well. So no, not a good suggestion. The director and actors need to be there for the viewers.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sry no. I assumed u still new. These unproductive timing u wan to removed is a bad suggestion. They are billable hours for client to feel/see the fee they paying is worth it (even u dontt timesheeting them in). It has been like this for decades. Some ppl see working for more than 16hrs is achievement as well. So no, not a good suggestion. The director and actors need to be there for the viewers.

aren't engagement based on fixed fee. It's not time and material yo..

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Let me share with you my experience, not sure whether others can related to this or not.

What I observed is that sometimes we OT for the sake of OT. I used to work on a job that required us to work from 9 am to 3 am. But, in the morning up till lunchtime, we were like zombies and couldn't even focus on the screen. It was super unproductive and most of the time we just spent those few hours checking emails and organising folders.

Then, after lunch, we started to gain more 'consciousness' and started doing work at normal speed. Dinner usually took about 2 hours (seriously, 1 hour would be sufficient, but for some reason, it just dragged for 2 hours).

After midnight, we were just so exhausted and zoned out and became inefficient again. Not much work was actually done after midnight.

In the end, we could actually finish all the work before various reporting deadlines. However, as you can see, from 9 am to 3 am, much time was actually unproductive and wasted:
- 9 am till lunchtime (zombie-like)
- dinnertime (dragged for too long)
- midnight to 3 am (zoned out)

If those unneccessary hours can be shortened/removed so that we can get more rest to channel our energy into the normal working hours (9 am to 6 am), we can be more productive and still finish the work on time...

There is no point OTing to 3am if it means next day you are sleepy exhausted and unproductive for 5 hours.

Might as well just work less hours but more efficient.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sry no. I assumed u still new. These unproductive timing u wan to removed is a bad suggestion. They are billable hours for client to feel/see the fee they paying is worth it (even u dontt timesheeting them in). It has been like this for decades. Some ppl see working for more than 16hrs is achievement as well. So no, not a good suggestion. The director and actors need to be there for the viewers.

I can tell from your response you must be those who didnt get enough sleep often haha.

Please do not OT for the sake of OTing or to “wayang” to your boss.

End of the day, if you can complete the work on time to the satisfaction of your boss and client, it’s good enough

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sry no. I assumed u still new. These unproductive timing u wan to removed is a bad suggestion. They are billable hours for client to feel/see the fee they paying is worth it (even u dontt timesheeting them in). It has been like this for decades. Some ppl see working for more than 16hrs is achievement as well. So no, not a good suggestion. The director and actors need to be there for the viewers.

not true, for eg, yellow and blue submitted low tenders to get lot of engagement which resulted in shortage of manpower