Q: Big4 - Yearly salary increment

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Contract states overtime is needed depending on deadlines so I dunno what that guy is going on about.

It's like junior lawyers refusing to rush to complete drafting before deadline so someone has to saikang for you. Freshies aren't changing firm policies with their little boycott especially since partners dont even know it's happening so for the time being just make way for someone who can help the team. Is this seriously so difficult for people to grasp?

Don't be a doctor if you aren't willing to be on-call, lots of people want that spot. I think audit OT culture is stupid too but it's a sinkie problem, not your teammates' problem.

thats why a lot sinkie left the big4 heheheehee.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Contract states overtime is needed depending on deadlines so I dunno what that guy is going on about.

It's like junior lawyers refusing to rush to complete drafting before deadline so someone has to saikang for you. Freshies aren't changing firm policies with their little boycott especially since partners dont even know it's happening so for the time being just make way for someone who can help the team. Is this seriously so difficult for people to grasp?

Don't be a doctor if you aren't willing to be on-call, lots of people want that spot. I think audit OT culture is stupid too but it's a sinkie problem, not your teammates' problem.

**** you, I deserve the job. Those "other people who want that spot" can just blame themselves for sucking at the interview HAHAHA

Originally Posted by Unregistered

u damn toxic.
why not person B also do 8hrs, and let the mgr cover?
then let the mgr go talk to partner lor.
toxic. this kind of thing still dare to say

bro some private uni grads need the paycheque since they cant get better jobs elsewhere, have some empathy
they cant resign even when bosses threaten with PIP
if partner dont budge then sure arrow down to senior level
why is associates not doing work even debatable tho

Associates not afraid cannot find jobs outside lah
So many opportunities
Scare no job meh

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Do you realise you are being very toxic but trying to disguise it as reasonable?

1) Work to 8pm is not normal. You are trying to normalise it or have accepted it because you got used to it. But as the senior you should not be forcing this as an expectation to us.

2) Ok sure you have done the same work, you have suffered, good for you. But everyone learn at their own pace so don’t expect us to work at same speed as you. You happy to work to 8pm, good for you. But don’t assume everyone is like you.

ISTG it’s because of people like you who spoil the market for so long that this is the prevailing expectation.

Don’t make your problem our problem. Don’t hard sell me on that “we are family” nonsense

Not the OP, but I believe you can be the change once you become a senior and pass on the legacy. Sometimes it's just that we are not given enough resources, and the client forces the deadline on us. You can only really understand the perspective when you are in your senior position. I've heard of managers asking seniors to work on weekends. How to say no to authority when your appraisal depends on them.

I've been in that position before too, where seniors asked the team to work on weekends and public holidays. I do it out of a sense of accountability, not because I enjoy it.

By the way, as mentioned in another post, the contract states that we need to work overtime when required. We are also not protected by the MOM for working more than 44 hours per week.

But to be honest, in commercial, those higher-paying jobs, you will also have to do overtime. So, the idea of no work after 8 pm doesn’t apply. If you’re looking for work-life balance and roles paying 3.5-3.8k, i think account executive jobs can offer work-life balance.

Hi guys, can anyone help this poor associate? Everyday during lunch, my senior will force everyone to buy caifan and dabao back to office and force us to sit together cus of “team spirit”….but I really wanna meet up with my friends from other department to eat hipster food. How should I tell my senior?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi guys, can anyone help this poor associate? Everyday during lunch, my senior will force everyone to buy caifan and dabao back to office and force us to sit together cus of “team spirit”….but I really wanna meet up with my friends from other department to eat hipster food. How should I tell my senior?

Aya just go la. Ur senior won’t care one la. Lunch hour is ur time

Anyone here feels is unfair to seniors and Big4 if associate don't want to OT?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Anyone here feels is unfair to seniors and Big4 if associate don't want to OT?

Bro, talk about juniors not wanting to OT in Big4, got mixed feelings lah.

Seniors feel sian if juniors don't OT, but must see why also.

Some juniors got own stuff, like family or health. Too much OT can really kill you, man.

Better find balance, talk more, find smarter ways. Not say unfair, just work together for solutions lah.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Bro, talk about juniors not wanting to OT in Big4, got mixed feelings lah.

Seniors feel sian if juniors don't OT, but must see why also.

Some juniors got own stuff, like family or health. Too much OT can really kill you, man.

Better find balance, talk more, find smarter ways. Not say unfair, just work together for solutions lah.

Bro, honestly, I don't agree that juniors can just chope out of OT in Big4. Hear me out, yeah?

In Big4, OT is like part and parcel of the deal. You signed up knowing it's gonna be a grind, right? So, don't play play. Seniors expect juniors to step up and put in the hours when needed, no excuses.

Sure, everyone got own stuff, family, health, whatever. But when you join Big4, you gotta commit, bro. It's all hands on deck when crunch time hits.

Think about it, if juniors start backing out of OT, then who's gonna pick up the slack? It's gonna mess up the whole flow, and seniors will be left hanging.

So, no lah, can't just say "find balance". In Big4, sometimes you got to go all in, no compromise. That's just the way it is.