Q: Big4 - Yearly salary increment

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It’s normal.. they walk out and will say will do work at night but no they didn’t do. They will give excuses that they got family dinner etc..
this shows why this generation don’t want to do audit already.. no point forcing them to do when they are not interested as the days go by

the new gen z are not to be offended. they will not do the work that dont worth the pay. if u want the gen z to OT, pay like the banks then.

5.30 i just shut down my computer unless urgent matters.
if team incompetent, push to managers to do.
they dun care about performance evaluation.
the few hundred difference in pay is not worth the effort.

This is just simple marginal utility analysis.
Gen z are not dumb.

Any pay revision for Tech Consulting this year?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

the new gen z are not to be offended. they will not do the work that dont worth the pay. if u want the gen z to OT, pay like the banks then.

5.30 i just shut down my computer unless urgent matters.
if team incompetent, push to managers to do.
they dun care about performance evaluation.
the few hundred difference in pay is not worth the effort.

This is just simple marginal utility analysis.
Gen z are not dumb.

Lmao. then why all thse Gen Z even bother to join Big4 in the first place?

There are so many other jobs out there that allow u to shut off at 530 on-the-dot. Civil service, many tech companies, European MNCs.

The truth is that these people cmi to other better places, so bopian have to work in Big 4 because Big 4 standards are low and they will hire anybody with a pulse.

The trade off for getting easily hired is that you work long hours lor.

If you were good, you wouldn't be in Big 4 earning one of the lowest GES starting salaries relative to the hours. Now that's the very epitome of failed marginal utility analysis.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Lmao. then why all thse Gen Z even bother to join Big4 in the first place?

There are so many other jobs out there that allow u to shut off at 530 on-the-dot. Civil service, many tech companies, European MNCs.

The truth is that these people cmi to other better places, so bopian have to work in Big 4 because Big 4 standards are low and they will hire anybody with a pulse.

The trade off for getting easily hired is that you work long hours lor.

If you were good, you wouldn't be in Big 4 earning one of the lowest GES starting salaries relative to the hours. Now that's the very epitome of failed marginal utility analysis.

Because of a few reasons:

1. Top tier finance jobs take too much effort to get into. Very limited positions.
2. Not everyone wants to go into a bank and work with middle aged aunties
3. Big4 offers progression that industry does not provide in terms of job title. This translates into a higher starting point 3-5 years later depending on when you exit.
4. If you are able to adhere to the standards said above about how long you work, Big4 is extremely flexible in terms of hours, attire, work conditions and hardly anywhere else can compare to that level of 'autonomy'
5. Working with a group of friends in your batch is like an orientation group that sticks together which is kind of fun for a few years while you take your accounting certification. Be it CPA, CIA, CFA, FRM whatever you want, now is the time to enjoy and take exam while working. This translates into a better exit in the future.

So... why not big4? As long as you go in for the right reasons, there is nothing wrong with it.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Because of a few reasons:

1. Top tier finance jobs take too much effort to get into. Very limited positions.
2. Not everyone wants to go into a bank and work with middle aged aunties
3. Big4 offers progression that industry does not provide in terms of job title. This translates into a higher starting point 3-5 years later depending on when you exit.
4. If you are able to adhere to the standards said above about how long you work, Big4 is extremely flexible in terms of hours, attire, work conditions and hardly anywhere else can compare to that level of 'autonomy'
5. Working with a group of friends in your batch is like an orientation group that sticks together which is kind of fun for a few years while you take your accounting certification. Be it CPA, CIA, CFA, FRM whatever you want, now is the time to enjoy and take exam while working. This translates into a better exit in the future.

So... why not big4? As long as you go in for the right reasons, there is nothing wrong with it.

Everything is good untill u realize its just a low end job for jhk.

Professional paper go take acca join jhk lo since ur local u cert is trash.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Any pay revision for Tech Consulting this year?

unfortunately no, by right april should have adjustment liao but nope

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Because of a few reasons:

1. Top tier finance jobs take too much effort to get into. Very limited positions.
2. Not everyone wants to go into a bank and work with middle aged aunties
3. Big4 offers progression that industry does not provide in terms of job title. This translates into a higher starting point 3-5 years later depending on when you exit.
4. If you are able to adhere to the standards said above about how long you work, Big4 is extremely flexible in terms of hours, attire, work conditions and hardly anywhere else can compare to that level of 'autonomy'
5. Working with a group of friends in your batch is like an orientation group that sticks together which is kind of fun for a few years while you take your accounting certification. Be it CPA, CIA, CFA, FRM whatever you want, now is the time to enjoy and take exam while working. This translates into a better exit in the future.

So... why not big4? As long as you go in for the right reasons, there is nothing wrong with it.

I give it to you that you have some valid points, but they are completely countered by the criteria in 4 about adhering to the working hours.

In this day and age, work life balance is one of, if not the top factor that youths care about. This set of trade offs is just not ideal anymore.

People want to “enjoy life” after graduating, not slog for another 3 to 5 years for a POSSIBLE higher starting point.

Big4 is the wrong place to go if you want to come home 530 everyday.

Onus in on each of us to do homework before applying to a firm.

If you want to eat rice, don’t go to noodle stall and complain they don’t sell rice after queuing up.

only big 4 audit need to OT. Consulting and advisory 5.30 close laptop

Originally Posted by Unregistered

only big 4 audit need to OT. Consulting and advisory 5.30 close laptop

It is generally understood that we are referring to audit, which is the largest practice and the core of the Big4 accounting firms.