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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi all, just wondering as a fresh graduate who is likely to get an offer from a stat board, is there any room in negotiating? If so, how much should I increase the offer by? E.g. 20% increase but hope for 10%? Or is it frowned upon by employers.

Zero room for negotiation for fresh grads in the public service because it's calculated using a specific formula.

40F, with 13 years work experience (academic), masters from local uni, just got offered Snr mgr role at MOM, mx11, ~6.4K, 1 year contract. Is the offer reasonable ? Thanks!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi all, just wondering as a fresh graduate who is likely to get an offer from a stat board, is there any room in negotiating? If so, how much should I increase the offer by? E.g. 20% increase but hope for 10%? Or is it frowned upon by employers.

Unless you managed to move up a class (e.g 2nd upper to FCH) between the time you apply for the job and your graduation, else, what is there for a fresh grad to negotiate?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

40F, with 13 years work experience (academic), masters from local uni, just got offered Snr mgr role at MOM, mx11, ~6.4K, 1 year contract. Is the offer reasonable ? Thanks!

Seems about right if you consider them giving you a slight premium for your starting salary due to your masters and your 13 years of exp in academia are treated as useful but not directly relevant so it is halved (~7years). Of course if you compare with someone who starts off in the Ministry from a fresh grad (not saying that you should compare) and after working for 13 years in that place, that person will definitely be paid more than what they offer you. Also, have to bear in mind it is a contract job.

Speaking as someone from the private sector, there are anecdotes of fake FT degrees getting past SG checks and balances.
The problem is MOM confirmed they will not check.
They say employer's responsibility to check.
If employer company CEO is an indian from india, he can warn HR dept NOT to check.
Then 80% the "highly qualified" foreigners from india in SG may have FAKE degrees.
So far, there is no solution to this in SG.
State Authorities pass the buck (just the simple act of checking) to private sector and employers.
Why is this so?
I suspect MOM is very afraid to discover the truth.
Because then they will be under fire for allowing to happen.
Have to explain in Parliament.
I think in the long term this is going to wound SG deeply.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Seems about right if you consider them giving you a slight premium for your starting salary due to your masters and your 13 years of exp in academia are treated as useful but not directly relevant so it is halved (~7years). Of course if you compare with someone who starts off in the Ministry from a fresh grad (not saying that you should compare) and after working for 13 years in that place, that person will definitely be paid more than what they offer you. Also, have to bear in mind it is a contract job.

Thanks! Major struggle really coz of the 1 year contract. Offering me same salary as Current job but with the “promise” of a better annual package. Comfort vs new challenges/progression

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi guys! I'm a fresh grad and got offered $3850 at a Ministry. Wondering if it's the norm to be offered a salary that's $xx50? I thought it's usual $xx00? Thanks!

With ns or no ns? 2.1 or 2.2?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Seems about right if you consider them giving you a slight premium for your starting salary due to your masters and your 13 years of exp in academia are treated as useful but not directly relevant so it is halved (~7years). Of course if you compare with someone who starts off in the Ministry from a fresh grad (not saying that you should compare) and after working for 13 years in that place, that person will definitely be paid more than what they offer you. Also, have to bear in mind it is a contract job.

This pay level sounds depressing for this age. But good perspective on them halving the experience due to lack of relevance. I recently declined an offer as it was 20% lower than what I was drawing in private , couldn't be at peace with it when I think of peers in govt with higher pay.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Speaking as someone from the private sector, there are anecdotes of fake FT degrees getting past SG checks and balances.
The problem is MOM confirmed they will not check.
They say employer's responsibility to check.
If employer company CEO is an indian from india, he can warn HR dept NOT to check.
Then 80% the "highly qualified" foreigners from india in SG may have FAKE degrees.
So far, there is no solution to this in SG.
State Authorities pass the buck (just the simple act of checking) to private sector and employers.
Why is this so?
I suspect MOM is very afraid to discover the truth.
Because then they will be under fire for allowing to happen.
Have to explain in Parliament.
I think in the long term this is going to wound SG deeply.

MOM do check
hence those situations of being charged for providing fake info during applying for a pass

Originally Posted by Unregistered

MOM do check
hence those situations of being charged for providing fake info during applying for a pass

Question is whether the private sector should even be asked to check in the first place? Most private sector HR do not have the ability to know if Uptron college is a legitimate non-degree mill before giving the india Ramesh a high-paying professional job in SG.

Its a level of false assurance that the private sector is asked to do the job, which I guess is how MOM absolves itself of blame when sh1t hits the proverbial fan. Not to mention pmet Singaporeans being deprived of high-paying professional jobs in their own country of birth.