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I do not agree with the part that says only limited information is available. For me, there are several reliable sources such as the Instruction Manual (Part 2 - Staff), regular meetings with my Human Resource department and interaction with my colleagues and most importantly, my experience with the civil service for the past 8 years.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

At the end of the day I assume ppl here are mostly jr level civil servant who have very limited information on the public sector. Dont be too fast to insult others as big cannon fairy just because it does not happen in your limited scope of work. We are all here to learn and share anyway.

The anonymous nature of this forum, though wonderful for most of us, allows for irresponsible comments to be made. Its a two-edged sword so do please judge for yourself what is reality and what is imaginary.

Without naming names, there are current or retired public/civil servants that have evidently had a meteoric rise through the ranks so never ever preclude that possibility from occurring. If you can't see yourself or anyone around you rising so quickly, it does not mean that it cannot happen.

I've seen fresh grads being hired at MX13 and then asked to cover MX11 duties due to exigencies of situation under the "acting" title and subsequently get promoted within two years, purely due to capabilities of the staff matching up to the opportunity.

I view that HR policies are what the bureaucrats hide behind when challenged "why or why not" for certain situations, and in other situations to justify why, they have plenty of reasons to support why it should be. Like why such a farmer-stock staff can rapidly rise through the ranks within such a short time frame, beating known principles like scoring enough Bs in preceding appraisals, length of service, etc. Likewise, long serving staff can be put off just a bit longer by saying, "Sorry, you don't have enough Bs in the past 3 years", or "Sorry, your time of service is not long enough to promote you".

At the end of the day, HR principles and policies are very very very very very (I cannot emphasize this enough) subjective and very dependent on VISIBILITY. You may have come up with the brilliant-est best-est idea but if you were too shy to present it at senior management level, and let someone else do it, then senior management will view that someone else as the figurehead for the idea, even if he/she did the right thing by crediting you with it.

When we mention Apple, Steve Jobs come to mind - for his entertaining product launch presentations. Who knows/remembers the designer of the UI, or the product packaging outside of Apple themselves?

My advice for fellow Civil Servants: never ever forget your core job. Or how to do it. But make your efforts count by ensuring it is visible. On the other hand, if 100% of your effort is spent on visibility and none on job skills, it will not take long for anyone to realize that you're just an empty vessel.

siao....u think u are in an election rally is it. haha

Originally Posted by A Civil Servant

The anonymous nature of this forum, though wonderful for most of us, allows for irresponsible comments to be made. Its a two-edged sword so do please judge for yourself what is reality and what is imaginary.

Without naming names, there are current or retired public/civil servants that have evidently had a meteoric rise through the ranks so never ever preclude that possibility from occurring. If you can't see yourself or anyone around you rising so quickly, it does not mean that it cannot happen.

I've seen fresh grads being hired at MX13 and then asked to cover MX11 duties due to exigencies of situation under the "acting" title and subsequently get promoted within two years, purely due to capabilities of the staff matching up to the opportunity.

I view that HR policies are what the bureaucrats hide behind when challenged "why or why not" for certain situations, and in other situations to justify why, they have plenty of reasons to support why it should be. Like why such a farmer-stock staff can rapidly rise through the ranks within such a short time frame, beating known principles like scoring enough Bs in preceding appraisals, length of service, etc. Likewise, long serving staff can be put off just a bit longer by saying, "Sorry, you don't have enough Bs in the past 3 years", or "Sorry, your time of service is not long enough to promote you".

At the end of the day, HR principles and policies are very very very very very (I cannot emphasize this enough) subjective and very dependent on VISIBILITY. You may have come up with the brilliant-est best-est idea but if you were too shy to present it at senior management level, and let someone else do it, then senior management will view that someone else as the figurehead for the idea, even if he/she did the right thing by crediting you with it.

When we mention Apple, Steve Jobs come to mind - for his entertaining product launch presentations. Who knows/remembers the designer of the UI, or the product packaging outside of Apple themselves?

My advice for fellow Civil Servants: never ever forget your core job. Or how to do it. But make your efforts count by ensuring it is visible. On the other hand, if 100% of your effort is spent on visibility and none on job skills, it will not take long for anyone to realize that you're just an empty vessel.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

siao....u think u are in an election rally is it. haha

You got a point...... If I talk like a politician maybe I should aspire to be one

Can you tell me the pay range of each level?
So that we don't have to listen canon fairy and just judge for self.
From what I have heard, all civil servants can see their salary scale from their HR tool so it is not a HR-only secret.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Can you tell me the pay range of each level?
So that we don't have to listen canon fairy and just judge for self.
From what I have heard, all civil servants can see their salary scale from their HR tool so it is not a HR-only secret.

Join the CS to find out! Why should we tell you??

i was the one who posted the ivory tower riddle, but subsequent replies and all didn't come from me. what's MME? abit surprised no one got the right ministry - yes, i say it there, ministry, therefore on MX scheme. the 'ivory tower' riddle is a play on the name of the street it is on, if you haven't realised.

As the poster #2781 above summed up v rightly too, just b'cos it didn't happen in your scope of work and ppl you work, doesn't mean it's all a load of crap. you will better understand why some of these junior officers' promotions are accelerated when you deal directly with Ministers, MOS, HC.. ok i shan't give too much game away. At the end of it all, no point getting up in arms over discussion on remuneration. We are all here to share and learn.

i rest my case.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Join the CS to find out! Why should we tell you??

just tell it lah, don't hide.this is your chance to shine and do atleast 1 good deed while you are a civil 'servant'.

Glad that you have finally decided to "rest your case".

No more nonsense from you...Hurray!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

i was the one who posted the ivory tower riddle, but subsequent replies and all didn't come from me. what's MME? abit surprised no one got the right ministry - yes, i say it there, ministry, therefore on MX scheme. the 'ivory tower' riddle is a play on the name of the street it is on, if you haven't realised.

As the poster #2781 above summed up v rightly too, just b'cos it didn't happen in your scope of work and ppl you work, doesn't mean it's all a load of crap. you will better understand why some of these junior officers' promotions are accelerated when you deal directly with Ministers, MOS, HC.. ok i shan't give too much game away. At the end of it all, no point getting up in arms over discussion on remuneration. We are all here to share and learn.

i rest my case.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

i was the one who posted the ivory tower riddle, but subsequent replies and all didn't come from me. what's MME? abit surprised no one got the right ministry - yes, i say it there, ministry, therefore on MX scheme. the 'ivory tower' riddle is a play on the name of the street it is on, if you haven't realised.

As the poster #2781 above summed up v rightly too, just b'cos it didn't happen in your scope of work and ppl you work, doesn't mean it's all a load of crap. you will better understand why some of these junior officers' promotions are accelerated when you deal directly with Ministers, MOS, HC.. ok i shan't give too much game away. At the end of it all, no point getting up in arms over discussion on remuneration. We are all here to share and learn.

i rest my case.

agree bro

no idea y the peeps here r getting their knickers in a twist

outliers will always exist in every system with human players

i'll just put it out there that im expecting 110 k in wages for this FY

MX11, 29 yo

*wink*