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Old 25-05-2024, 07:06 PM
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I would guess yes, that would be the case - but I've never been an SL, so this is just a guess on my part.

Logically though, if say the HOD/HUM has no Geog expertise, but the YH is able to help with thatÖ there will be less need to raise a SH/Geog?
Depends. YH is a very taxing job, it would be very challenging for the YH to take on some of the SH IP task. In such instances, it would be likely that an SH/Geog would be needed.

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Old 25-05-2024, 07:28 PM
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I find it extremely insulting that hardworking and experienced teachers need to report to young non-teachers in the policy wings.

Shouldn't teachers, with our wealth of ground experience, be in charge of the policy wings? Senior Teachers should be the DDs at policy wings, and the non-teachers should just remain as officers unless they convert to EOs and gain ground experience.

Has anyone worked at the policy wings before? Are the young non-teachers occupying the DD and AD positions any good?
You donít sound like an EO colleague and I hope youíre not posting only to stir up unnecessary drama. To start with, STs are two steps below DD. The equivalent to DD is MTT.

Yes we have a lot of ground experience but that does not translate automatically to policymaking expertise. Like it or not, if you choose to take up a policy role, you are starting from scratch alongside direct hires on the MX scale. Itís normal to report to ADs and DDs who have been in the line and have greater domain knowledge. The track you seek to pursue thereafter (extend HQ stint, convert to MX, return to SD) is up to you.

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Education content rarely updated. Teachers just memorize and teach. Thats jt.

Mark some papers then get aim for promotion. Easy .
yeah lor so good hor? go try lor.

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yeah lor so good hor? go try lor.
teaching is a job for rejects la. cannot get into medicine dentisty law engineering accounting business.... then bobian go into teaching lor

hence usually teachers were once poor students with subpar results.. some even delinquents who were once retainees in school and uni. cannot help it one la... low quality nobodies produce low quality nobodies lor, the vicious cycle continues

much unlike drs and lawyers.. once upon a time they were the cream of the crop, then marry their fellow drs and lawyers, produce outstanding offspring who then study med or law and the cycle also continue this way

such is life really
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You donít sound like an EO colleague and I hope youíre not posting only to stir up unnecessary drama. To start with, STs are two steps below DD. The equivalent to DD is MTT.

Yes we have a lot of ground experience but that does not translate automatically to policymaking expertise. Like it or not, if you choose to take up a policy role, you are starting from scratch alongside direct hires on the MX scale. Itís normal to report to ADs and DDs who have been in the line and have greater domain knowledge. The track you seek to pursue thereafter (extend HQ stint, convert to MX, return to SD) is up to you.
can you share your experience working under these non-EO policy DDs and ADs?
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You donít sound like an EO colleague and I hope youíre not posting only to stir up unnecessary drama. To start with, STs are two steps below DD. The equivalent to DD is MTT.

Yes we have a lot of ground experience but that does not translate automatically to policymaking expertise. Like it or not, if you choose to take up a policy role, you are starting from scratch alongside direct hires on the MX scale. Itís normal to report to ADs and DDs who have been in the line and have greater domain knowledge. The track you seek to pursue thereafter (extend HQ stint, convert to MX, return to SD) is up to you.
I think the question is why a 30 year old can be a policy DD (or if you put aside that they are scholarship holders, why a 35 year old non-scholar can be a policy DD), but you do not see a single 30/35 year old MTT in on the teaching track.

Why is the career progression under the policy and teaching track so different? are EOs disadvantaged, cause they chose to be teachers?
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teaching is a job for rejects la. cannot get into medicine dentisty law engineering accounting business.... then bobian go into teaching lor

hence usually teachers were once poor students with subpar results.. some even delinquents who were once retainees in school and uni. cannot help it one la... low quality nobodies produce low quality nobodies lor, the vicious cycle continues

much unlike drs and lawyers.. once upon a time they were the cream of the crop, then marry their fellow drs and lawyers, produce outstanding offspring who then study med or law and the cycle also continue this way

such is life really
This used to be true 20 years ago. But these days to even enter nie, the 10th percentile for science (education) is ABC, compared to CCD for engineering. Even accountancy and business 10th percentile is BBC
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Although MOE highlights that the last day of a term is Eat with Your Family Day, my school activated this emergency relay messaging the very next day (Saturday). Some staff did not mange to response in time to the relay system as it was a weekend message.

May I know if this is something according to the HR protocol? Is is this something activated because ranking is near? Some trs on the ground are feeling anxious as the school culture has not been too positive....
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Although MOE highlights that the last day of a term is Eat with Your Family Day, my school activated this emergency relay messaging the very next day (Saturday). Some staff did not mange to response in time to the relay system as it was a weekend message.

May I know if this is something according to the HR protocol? Is is this something activated because ranking is near? Some trs on the ground are feeling anxious as the school culture has not been too positive....
You failed to mention whether it was a legitimate emergency or just a drill/spurious activation.

Technically, in case of exigencies of service, we are expected to be responsive. But this only applies to genuine emergencies.
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is this your first day as MOE teacher? since when got undisturbed days one. everyday is standby day. not positive, then quit lor.

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Although MOE highlights that the last day of a term is Eat with Your Family Day, my school activated this emergency relay messaging the very next day (Saturday). Some staff did not mange to response in time to the relay system as it was a weekend message.

May I know if this is something according to the HR protocol? Is is this something activated because ranking is near? Some trs on the ground are feeling anxious as the school culture has not been too positive....
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