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Old 16-03-2022, 04:02 PM
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How’s everyone’s bonuses? Huat or not?

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If RP GDFM in OPS is paid $7.9k + $500 + 4 months bonus. Is FP MMed in OPS being paid slightly more?

To move from FM to AC is time based + FCFPS right? In this case +/- 3years after MMed can hit AC.

If AC in OPS and AC in GM/Geri in restructured hospital is the same pay. I think overall still quite worth it leh. I see alot AC taking up appointments as Dy head and teaching duties. All these give additional allowance also. Should have no issues matching the generalist in the hospital isnt it? I would expect an AC to not run clinic everyday and would be able to spread workload - clinical, admin and teaching. Like this quite holistic and quite a good deal vs 15k in GP clinic having to work weekends and nights and boring routine cough cold sore throat running nose.
fp to ac is time based.
no need fcfp.
only new con need fcfp. last time can get con with m.med.

m.med annual salary already more or less match gen med ac in terms of annual liao. this is due to the junior fp award. this award finish when u hit ac , so just nice. essentially a m.med fp makes almost like a hospital ac.

however to hit con u must fight for it la.sc in ops v rare, usually hq high flyers.
hospital ac to c is time based. sc must fight or wait till the senior all go private.

m.med can teach liao. quite tiring actually. I take year 3 yllom and year 5 lkc. sometimes got year 1 sit in also. also take resident RCC.
I also teach gdfm . this is extra but keeps me on my edge.
about 1.5 days doing teaching and supervision.
also got run special clinic , got HMC, derm, memory clinic. some polyclinic got af clinic.

quite varied what. I dabbling in some research also. also involved in MOH workgroups.

gp is patient patient patient patient.

and someone will soon say I'm a mohh recruiter.

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fp to ac is time based.
no need fcfp.
only new con need fcfp. last time can get con with m.med.

m.med annual salary already more or less match gen med ac in terms of annual liao. this is due to the junior fp award. this award finish when u hit ac , so just nice. essentially a m.med fp makes almost like a hospital ac.

however to hit con u must fight for it la.sc in ops v rare, usually hq high flyers.
hospital ac to c is time based. sc must fight or wait till the senior all go private.

m.med can teach liao. quite tiring actually. I take year 3 yllom and year 5 lkc. sometimes got year 1 sit in also. also take resident RCC.
I also teach gdfm . this is extra but keeps me on my edge.
about 1.5 days doing teaching and supervision.
also got run special clinic , got HMC, derm, memory clinic. some polyclinic got af clinic.

quite varied what. I dabbling in some research also. also involved in MOH workgroups.

gp is patient patient patient patient.

and someone will soon say I'm a mohh recruiter.
Quite interesting and varied job scope and thanks for the insight. It's FM vs ED for me la. Nowadays ED senior also quite shag need ownself see also because of the load and number of seniors. In this case go FM better sia.

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Is any senior able to share how to find locum slots online?
I know of locum sg, anything else?
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fp to ac is time based.
no need fcfp.
only new con need fcfp. last time can get con with m.med.

m.med annual salary already more or less match gen med ac in terms of annual liao. this is due to the junior fp award. this award finish when u hit ac , so just nice. essentially a m.med fp makes almost like a hospital ac.

however to hit con u must fight for it la.sc in ops v rare, usually hq high flyers.
hospital ac to c is time based. sc must fight or wait till the senior all go private.

m.med can teach liao. quite tiring actually. I take year 3 yllom and year 5 lkc. sometimes got year 1 sit in also. also take resident RCC.
I also teach gdfm . this is extra but keeps me on my edge.
about 1.5 days doing teaching and supervision.
also got run special clinic , got HMC, derm, memory clinic. some polyclinic got af clinic.

quite varied what. I dabbling in some research also. also involved in MOH workgroups.

gp is patient patient patient patient.

and someone will soon say I'm a mohh recruiter.

I am a fm resident r3. Just had a Career talk by faculty last week. Seniors who attended (ie the r4s who completed mmed in Nov last year) were telling us if we pass mmed, we get paid 9k basic, with 1.2k addon for the mmed qualification.

Bonus is largely institutional based (i.e will be similar across most department for average performer), usually Ard 3-4 mths including aws. (Also confirmed by some of the older fps i.e the r5s and 6s)
There is no sign on bonus nowadays (at least for my si)

You sure this is similar to gm ac?
I am pretty sure ac starting pay is 12k leh..

Personally I am thinking of going locum for the few months leading up to mmed (jul-nov) before deciding on my long term plans
- I don't think I can work and study at the same time (really too jaded liao, I know many of my seniors did it and say can be done, but I really cannot. Maybe I old/weak lol). Hence will aim to locum 2-3 days a week, and spent rest of week study. Also can get some intro to private practice, and see if I am happy with the that, before deciding long term future.
- I must also say I dont think/not confident I can pass mmed; without mmed, I think no point stay in ops also 😂.

To be fair, my faculty is quite fair and nice. They say that as long as I complete residency, even if I choose to leave after, they will still invite me to their zoom tutorials/revision or
teaching session(Of course I won't get sponser for the prep course and exam la)

Just wanted to highlight this so that pple don't get carried away with fp pay. Even with mmed, your basic pay is probably between a reg and ac. Hospital reg will probably earn more than you if you include their call pay (esp given the recent revision)
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Quite interesting and varied job scope and thanks for the insight. It's FM vs ED for me la. Nowadays ED senior also quite shag need ownself see also because of the load and number of seniors. In this case go FM better sia.
ed rotating shift work is killer.
your body or at least mine can't take it. I do 2 mths want to die. finish evening shift go home full of adrenine till 2am cannot sleep. next morning 7am shift.
I age 2 years in that 2 mths.
dun think can do 20 years.

ur Im AC is 12k, some institution pay 11.x cos they 2 year AST then ac. only sgh Im is 14k. their annual is 15 mth unless they some sakit researcher or COVID warrior.
180k pa.
you go ask ur r5 or r6 m.med fp what is their annual.
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ed rotating shift work is killer.
your body or at least mine can't take it. I do 2 mths want to die. finish evening shift go home full of adrenine till 2am cannot sleep. next morning 7am shift.
I age 2 years in that 2 mths.
dun think can do 20 years.

ur Im AC is 12k, some institution pay 11.x cos they 2 year AST then ac. only sgh Im is 14k. their annual is 15 mth unless they some sakit researcher or COVID warrior.
180k pa.
you go ask ur r5 or r6 m.med fp what is their annual.
oh dear i feel low balled. im ac 11k + 3k allowance.
but okie lah have a job shouldnt complain too much.


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ed rotating shift work is killer.
your body or at least mine can't take it. I do 2 mths want to die. finish evening shift go home full of adrenine till 2am cannot sleep. next morning 7am shift.
I age 2 years in that 2 mths.
dun think can do 20 years.

ur Im AC is 12k, some institution pay 11.x cos they 2 year AST then ac. only sgh Im is 14k. their annual is 15 mth unless they some sakit researcher or COVID warrior.
180k pa.
you go ask ur r5 or r6 m.med fp what is their annual.
advanced IM is all two year ASTs (SR). so by right is 11.x. but why SGH IM pays 14k.
coz DIM needs more smart people?
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I am a fm resident r3. Just had a Career talk by faculty last week. Seniors who attended (ie the r4s who completed mmed in Nov last year) were telling us if we pass mmed, we get paid 9k basic, with 1.2k addon for the mmed qualification.

Bonus is largely institutional based (i.e will be similar across most department for average performer), usually Ard 3-4 mths including aws. (Also confirmed by some of the older fps i.e the r5s and 6s)
There is no sign on bonus nowadays (at least for my si)

You sure this is similar to gm ac?
I am pretty sure ac starting pay is 12k leh..

Personally I am thinking of going locum for the few months leading up to mmed (jul-nov) before deciding on my long term plans
- I don't think I can work and study at the same time (really too jaded liao, I know many of my seniors did it and say can be done, but I really cannot. Maybe I old/weak lol). Hence will aim to locum 2-3 days a week, and spent rest of week study. Also can get some intro to private practice, and see if I am happy with the that, before deciding long term future.
- I must also say I dont think/not confident I can pass mmed; without mmed, I think no point stay in ops also 😂.

To be fair, my faculty is quite fair and nice. They say that as long as I complete residency, even if I choose to leave after, they will still invite me to their zoom tutorials/revision or
teaching session(Of course I won't get sponser for the prep course and exam la)

Just wanted to highlight this so that pple don't get carried away with fp pay. Even with mmed, your basic pay is probably between a reg and ac. Hospital reg will probably earn more than you if you include their call pay (esp given the recent revision)

So from what I gathered thus far:

Fresh MMed FM in OPS package would be = (9k + 1.2k) x 12 + 9k x 4 = 150k after 3 years++ of training.

How about AC in OPS?

Gen Med AC ex SGH would be = (11.5k + 3k) x 12 + 11.5k x 4 = 220k package after 5 years++ of training.
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ed rotating shift work is killer.
your body or at least mine can't take it. I do 2 mths want to die. finish evening shift go home full of adrenine till 2am cannot sleep. next morning 7am shift.
I age 2 years in that 2 mths.
dun think can do 20 years.

ur Im AC is 12k, some institution pay 11.x cos they 2 year AST then ac. only sgh Im is 14k. their annual is 15 mth unless they some sakit researcher or COVID warrior.
180k pa.
you go ask ur r5 or r6 m.med fp what is their annual.
Dont mind me asking, how senior are you and what's your package now. If can break down basic + allowance + bonus would be good. Ty!
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