Comp Science Frsh Grad Salary

Originally Posted by Unregistered

stop giving yourself excuses. a setback only and you start with the im FCH i work harder so i deserve it will not get you anywhere. Do better at your interview next time

FCH can only succeed in places where they hire fch.
That limits the job market.

I honestly also wouldn't hire fch. We simply just can't afford to pay them higher pay.
We just need average people to get the work done at average pay.

So the only right thing to do is to reject the FCH so they can go to Microsoft. Google or etc.
Am I wrong?

Anyway if there is a fch who want to join our startup, we also will raise red flag. Maybe we are his last choice.
So reject.

Also don't feel like having daily intellectual debate wirh fch at work. Would prefer average worker who know when to work and when to slack and eat snake.

Should I change job?

Initially I though tech job will have projects like 1 to 2 years.
So you can work on 1 project from the start to the end for 2 years.

So you get to prioritise your time and schedule..
But I feel like all my deadline are so tight. Few weeks. Few months. Then this project.
That prokect.

Totally no time to relax.
And when I ask the boss why don't we hire more resources.
He say hire you 3 already use up all the budget...

Hmm he is kinda right. 3 of us is 15k per month. That's 180k per year just to maintain us.
Not sure how govtech can afford so many hundreds of high paid developers.

Maybe my company is too small? Online education company.. Client mostly overseas. High demand now die to covid.

Or should I try govtech? Will they also pay me 5k?
Can I quit if I haven't work for 1 year?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Get wrecked.
My company does the same too. Yes we pay those fresh grad ridiculous 5k starting pay.
But we expect senior quality work.

The same we use the 3 months probation clause mom to terminate them if they cent perform
All this kids. Think you get a high paid job that's the end of it.

Boy, it's just a start or endless time you have to step up and prove your worth.
Can't do? Quit. We have a fresh bunch of fresh grad next year to recruit who is willing to work overtime for 5k.

And no, even Facebook or Google they terminate their staff if they breach contract like nda or take phooey o or post hate social media post. Etc.

Ours not to that degree. Just very simple.
If you can't deliver the work, get Terminated.

Your peers with average pay the company more humane.
We can't. We have high paying consumer who demand result.
We pay you high also demand result.

Get wrecked boy. Hahaha. Love it.

To be honest, all industry are like this once you pass the junior role.

Once they start to pay you as a senior role, they expect result.

It doesn't matter if the sky is going to drop, you still have to deliver the result.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Should I change job?

Initially I though tech job will have projects like 1 to 2 years.
So you can work on 1 project from the start to the end for 2 years.

So you get to prioritise your time and schedule..
But I feel like all my deadline are so tight. Few weeks. Few months. Then this project.
That prokect.

Totally no time to relax.
And when I ask the boss why don't we hire more resources.
He say hire you 3 already use up all the budget...

Hmm he is kinda right. 3 of us is 15k per month. That's 180k per year just to maintain us.
Not sure how govtech can afford so many hundreds of high paid developers.

Maybe my company is too small? Online education company.. Client mostly overseas. High demand now die to covid.

Or should I try govtech? Will they also pay me 5k?
Can I quit if I haven't work for 1 year?

Now going in Gov Tech is not easy, you will have to compete with other graduates to get inside.

All project based jobs are like that, they will not give you only one project to handle. Usually one person needs to handle multiple project in the same time.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Should I change job?

Initially I though tech job will have projects like 1 to 2 years.
So you can work on 1 project from the start to the end for 2 years.

So you get to prioritise your time and schedule..
But I feel like all my deadline are so tight. Few weeks. Few months. Then this project.
That prokect.

Totally no time to relax.
And when I ask the boss why don't we hire more resources.
He say hire you 3 already use up all the budget...

Hmm he is kinda right. 3 of us is 15k per month. That's 180k per year just to maintain us.
Not sure how govtech can afford so many hundreds of high paid developers.

Maybe my company is too small? Online education company.. Client mostly overseas. High demand now die to covid.

Or should I try govtech? Will they also pay me 5k?
Can I quit if I haven't work for 1 year?

theres no such things as working on 1 project. think about it. can a company survive just working on 1 client. obviously no right.

unless the question is you are being bullied then going elsewhere in the same line of work will be the same

Singaporean brainwashed by the government into thinking tech job means joining govtech...

I ask my US friend what are tech graduate aspiration.. Which company do they join etc.

He said Google, Facebook, Microsoft those kind.
But those really techie are those who create their own tech like Hotmail, Instagram, whatapps, now fitbit...
Build a market then get purchased by tech giant.

Our tech kids think so small.
Ywah I'm so smart I deserve high starting pay but I lack the entrepreneurs mind.

Take example from razer or secretlab.
Build your own tech. From small. Until it become big.

Not study hard to demand high starting pay to work for the government fix bug...
Such low dream.

Sad. This is what education does to people.
It kills their aspirations and dreams and transform them into working slaves...

Just like how the Singaporean government wanted... To be a world class education system to churn out workforce...

Tech job are not easy high turn over rate.
My cousin joined overtime almost every night.

My mother always compare me with him say he tech frsj grad 5k...
My cousin say his job only 3.8k. Where got 5k.

I'm 3.5k. Still he is 300 more than me.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Should I change job?

Initially I though tech job will have projects like 1 to 2 years.
So you can work on 1 project from the start to the end for 2 years.

So you get to prioritise your time and schedule..
But I feel like all my deadline are so tight. Few weeks. Few months. Then this project.
That prokect.

Totally no time to relax.
And when I ask the boss why don't we hire more resources.
He say hire you 3 already use up all the budget...

Hmm he is kinda right. 3 of us is 15k per month. That's 180k per year just to maintain us.
Not sure how govtech can afford so many hundreds of high paid developers.

Maybe my company is too small? Online education company.. Client mostly overseas. High demand now die to covid.

Or should I try govtech? Will they also pay me 5k?
Can I quit if I haven't work for 1 year?

Classic case of SME throwing money to attract talents they can't afford to maintain.

In SME you need many developers cause their scope is broad. Need to do requirement and liaise with clients, do development, maintenance, basically handle everything from start to end. Need many developers. If you hire 3 good ones (no matter how good), they sure burn out cause of lack of clarity and focus of scope.

In big tech companies, they can afford to pay high to attract developers because they have capital. They need to optimize every process. So hiring bar for developers is high also. Since scope is (often) well defined, every developer can be tuned to optimize output. This is how they ensure their investments pay them back.

In this thread we keep seeing people trying to compare SME who are only capable of paying 3k for their developers to big tech firms paying 6-7k. And worse, trying to justify that 6-7k is overpay for today's tech talents & resources...

Yes, 6-7k is overpay if your company is SME, but it is not for today's tech giants. It is like comparing rates from hotel 81 with st. regis...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Classic case of SME throwing money to attract talents they can't afford to maintain.

In SME you need many developers cause their scope is broad. Need to do requirement and liaise with clients, do development, maintenance, basically handle everything from start to end. Need many developers. If you hire 3 good ones (no matter how good), they sure burn out cause of lack of clarity and focus of scope.

In big tech companies, they can afford to pay high to attract developers because they have capital. They need to optimize every process. So hiring bar for developers is high also. Since scope is (often) well defined, every developer can be tuned to optimize output. This is how they ensure their investments pay them back.

In this thread we keep seeing people trying to compare SME who are only capable of paying 3k for their developers to big tech firms paying 6-7k. And worse, trying to justify that 6-7k is overpay for today's tech talents & resources...

Yes, 6-7k is overpay if your company is SME, but it is not for today's tech giants. It is like comparing rates from hotel 81 with st. regis...

The things is that, many graduates feel like it is their entitlement to receive high starting pay as there are people who receive such pay in their cohort. SME who need to have their own developers need to provide salary within that range in order to attract worker to join their firm.

This issue will eventually get resolve when the supply of worker is higher than the demand. Until then, graduates can demand high pay for their starting salary.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Classic case of SME throwing money to attract talents they can't afford to maintain.

In SME you need many developers cause their scope is broad. Need to do requirement and liaise with clients, do development, maintenance, basically handle everything from start to end. Need many developers. If you hire 3 good ones (no matter how good), they sure burn out cause of lack of clarity and focus of scope.

In big tech companies, they can afford to pay high to attract developers because they have capital. They need to optimize every process. So hiring bar for developers is high also. Since scope is (often) well defined, every developer can be tuned to optimize output. This is how they ensure their investments pay them back.

In this thread we keep seeing people trying to compare SME who are only capable of paying 3k for their developers to big tech firms paying 6-7k. And worse, trying to justify that 6-7k is overpay for today's tech talents & resources...

Yes, 6-7k is overpay if your company is SME, but it is not for today's tech giants. It is like comparing rates from hotel 81 with st. regis...

This justification is from my boss
1. We have a project Web based. Signed liao. Worth 120 for development.
2. We hire a fresh grad 5k. Can he developed it in 6 months or not... (cannot cause don't have the experience nce. Everything take too long. Login module already took 3 months to do. Can't reset password. No strong password check etc. Headache)
3. We hire an experienced developer 4.5k. Can he develop in 6 months? Oh yes. He have existing code he wrote before... So he can use his own code repository or refresh his memory....

That's why. We don't game on fresh grad.

Fresh grad big ****inf deal.
You don't see doctor immediately become surgeon upon graduation.
Why is software any different.
You don't become expert just because you graduated.

Sadly kids are stupid nowadays.