15% pay cut from private sector to teach in Polytechnic

To pass the bar within pax 6,5 & 4, you need at least 2 c+. To pass the bar in higher grades, you need 3 B. No criteria is set for promotion.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

cos they help each other whereas singaporeans fight among themselves.

they will hired their own countryman ....saw a few Singaporean kinda rejected

Originally Posted by Unregistered

PErsonal to Holder means that the salary in your pay slip is beyond the ceiling of the current pax you are in. It is unique and not within the salary scale so "personal to holder". The implication is that you will NO increment till you get promoted to the next pax

My question is why not just say its at the ceiling why personal to holder? Don't understand the rationale.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

PErsonal to Holder means that the salary in your pay slip is beyond the ceiling of the current pax you are in. It is unique and not within the salary scale so "personal to holder". The implication is that you will NO increment till you get promoted to the next pax

Why unique? It's neither here nor there. What's the point. Seriously??? Why do hr at the polys use this??

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Hi everyone, need some advice from Poly lecturers who had industry experience. I am currently waiting to get a reply for my 2nd interview from a poly. But then I just received a email from the CM that Poly cant match my current pay. I have a Masters and with 12 yrs work experience, drawing about $4800..Can anyone advice if the salary can be negotiable?

Another thing is that, I have children and really wish to have a work life balance. But I heard that teaching in Poly is not as easy as before..need to to OT.. Is it true? Anyone here from Poly in the east can share their teaching experience? Can survive based on the passion for teaching even though pay is low and workload is higher... After looking through the comments in this forum, teaching in Poly is not as rewarding after all...

For all advices, TIA!

Originally Posted by Appletree

Hi everyone, need some advice from Poly lecturers who had industry experience. I am currently waiting to get a reply for my 2nd interview from a poly. But then I just received a email from the CM that Poly cant match my current pay. I have a Masters and with 12 yrs work experience, drawing about $4800..Can anyone advice if the salary can be negotiable?

Another thing is that, I have children and really wish to have a work life balance. But I heard that teaching in Poly is not as easy as before..need to to OT.. Is it true? Anyone here from Poly in the east can share their teaching experience? Can survive based on the passion for teaching even though pay is low and workload is higher... After looking through the comments in this forum, teaching in Poly is not as rewarding after all...

For all advices, TIA!

Don't assume anything. What you can see is the job offer. If the pay alone is already unsatisfactory, don't join. Whether the job fits you well depends on many factors, most of which are beyond your control, eg colleagues, bosses, department culture, students, special projects and other arrows.

Assuming that your 12 years work experience was all in industry and exactly relevant to the course and subject matter you're teaching, IMO $4,800 seems somewhat on the low side. Based on my ballpark estimation of other staff, your awarded could be slightly higher by a couple hundred.

That's not to dissuade you from accepting the offer though - depends on how important it is for you to be employed, and if you're comfortable with the work scope at Poly.

The amount of OT differs from department to department, school to school. Citing one school as an example, staff do come back on Saturdays now and then (perhaps about 7-8 times a year) for the major outreach events like Open House, competitions for secondary school students and the like - but nothing too frequent and these normally are planned well in advanced in the calendar year. As for having to stay back after work, it depends on how effectively you use your time in the office. Most teaching staff do not normally stay well into evenings to finish work (managerial staff are a different story however).

Your first year or so can be very tough as you'll need to get used to the system of procedures, subject development, classroom management, administration, and learn to handle many things at a time. But it eases up in this aspect after a year or two though you'll get challenged in different ways, especially involvement into key projects, adhoc committees.

I've been in the Poly now for a number of years, grown with it, and promoted and reasonably compensated for what I do. There are ups and downs and periods of real intensity, but on balance, it's been rewarding for me at least.

Originally Posted by Appletree

Hi everyone, need some advice from Poly lecturers who had industry experience. I am currently waiting to get a reply for my 2nd interview from a poly. But then I just received a email from the CM that Poly cant match my current pay. I have a Masters and with 12 yrs work experience, drawing about $4800..Can anyone advice if the salary can be negotiable?

Another thing is that, I have children and really wish to have a work life balance. But I heard that teaching in Poly is not as easy as before..need to to OT.. Is it true? Anyone here from Poly in the east can share their teaching experience? Can survive based on the passion for teaching even though pay is low and workload is higher... After looking through the comments in this forum, teaching in Poly is not as rewarding after all...

For all advices, TIA!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Don't assume anything. What you can see is the job offer. If the pay alone is already unsatisfactory, don't join. Whether the job fits you well depends on many factors, most of which are beyond your control, eg colleagues, bosses, department culture, students, special projects and other arrows.

Ya agree..it's really like a gamble..disappointed that such a noble job pays so little. .teaching is more like a commitment than a job..really have to think twice before commit...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Assuming that your 12 years work experience was all in industry and exactly relevant to the course and subject matter you're teaching, IMO $4,800 seems somewhat on the low side. Based on my ballpark estimation of other staff, your awarded could be slightly higher by a couple hundred.

That's not to dissuade you from accepting the offer though - depends on how important it is for you to be employed, and if you're comfortable with the work scope at Poly.

The amount of OT differs from department to department, school to school. Citing one school as an example, staff do come back on Saturdays now and then (perhaps about 7-8 times a year) for the major outreach events like Open House, competitions for secondary school students and the like - but nothing too frequent and these normally are planned well in advanced in the calendar year. As for having to stay back after work, it depends on how effectively you use your time in the office. Most teaching staff do not normally stay well into evenings to finish work (managerial staff are a different story however).

Your first year or so can be very tough as you'll need to get used to the system of procedures, subject development, classroom management, administration, and learn to handle many things at a time. But it eases up in this aspect after a year or two though you'll get challenged in different ways, especially involvement into key projects, adhoc committees.

I've been in the Poly now for a number of years, grown with it, and promoted and reasonably compensated for what I do. There are ups and downs and periods of real intensity, but on balance, it's been rewarding for me at least.

Thanks for your advice. Overall I think yours is more towards positive side n I m glad to hear one at this point of time! seems like you are an experienced lecturer. Could you share what is your daily routine like in poly?

The daily routine depends on a lot of things, including what is your given teaching load in comparison to the other activities or things you're also involved in. But for new hires within their first one year, typically, activities will include:

1) Teaching - and this depends on department needs and what is the school 'norm' for teaching load, could be anywhere between 12 to 22 hours/week
2) Subject development -depending whether materials already exist, its state of maturity/need for revision, or if you're coming from industry, a revision to reflect new practices or tools
3) Pedagogy and new staff training - many schools have a standard list of training activities that they put their new hires through, e.g. instructional methods, classroom management, HR orientation, syllabus writing;
4) Lesson observation - departments may also attach you to mentors who'll invite you to sit into their classes to observe how they run their classes, and vice-versa to give you feedback

As a rule, new hires aren't usually dropped into committees within their first year unless you're coming in as a PAX 4 to which you're expected to hit the ground running.

The daily routine changes once you're an experienced staff, naturally. As I said above, you'll be involved in key projects, event organization, committees etc. Your teaching load does not necessarily get lessened significantly - only that you're now expected to juggle multiple things at a time.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Thanks for your advice. Overall I think yours is more towards positive side n I m glad to hear one at this point of time! seems like you are an experienced lecturer. Could you share what is your daily routine like in poly?