How is life as a doctor in Singapore?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Lolz.
Confirm fake.
Anyone who work in ops will know the bulk of the ' bonus' is not counted in months.

Leadership position don't mean u rich.
Deputy head 1k more a month
Head 1.5k
At hq, deputy director 1k, director 1.5k
Senior director 2k

Hq don't write policy la.
They just there to put out fire
Ensure systems run and provide guidance.
Sai kang also a lot

Clinical rank only got 4
M.med FP
Ac FP
C FP
SC FP

Each promotion 5 to 8 percent.
Service component 1.25 to 2 to 3 to 4k

Leadership position u dont mean u sure get good ranking cos u rank along Ur peers
Every clinic head zai, u regress to mean, still meet expectations Nia

U get c earliest 3.5 years after ac
Zai one half a year earlier.
Slow one 4 or 5 years or maybe never.
Typically after m.med, u take on sai kang with fcfp can get at year 8 or 9 after m.m

U can calculate a con pay liao

Some GP will tell u they make more
Ya. Sure.
Who cares.

For what's it's worth , MBBS make 200k I think very good liao
U good business sense have many clinic make 800k a year is u good
I still don't respect u if u are a sucky health screener who wants me to refer a patient to cardiology becuase the ECG report st elevation when it's just benign early reploarization

boss thx for ur info. can i corroborate,
assuming 3% increment every year, 3 years to AC, 4 years after become con, 5% increment between grades, 4 month bonus + 1 month AWS

Deputy head (AC): (9867 + 2000)*12+ (9867*5) + 12k = ~204k

Head (Con) = (11660 + 3000)*12 + (11600*5) + 18k = ~250k

Assuming increment on lower side since thats what i hear historically, correct? also how many years then hit salary cap?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Lolz.
Confirm fake.
Anyone who work in ops will know the bulk of the ' bonus' is not counted in months.

Leadership position don't mean u rich.
Deputy head 1k more a month
Head 1.5k
At hq, deputy director 1k, director 1.5k
Senior director 2k

Hq don't write policy la.
They just there to put out fire
Ensure systems run and provide guidance.
Sai kang also a lot

Clinical rank only got 4
M.med FP
Ac FP
C FP
SC FP

Each promotion 5 to 8 percent.
Service component 1.25 to 2 to 3 to 4k

Leadership position u dont mean u sure get good ranking cos u rank along Ur peers
Every clinic head zai, u regress to mean, still meet expectations Nia

U get c earliest 3.5 years after ac
Zai one half a year earlier.
Slow one 4 or 5 years or maybe never.
Typically after m.med, u take on sai kang with fcfp can get at year 8 or 9 after m.m

U can calculate a con pay liao

Some GP will tell u they make more
Ya. Sure.
Who cares.

For what's it's worth , MBBS make 200k I think very good liao
U good business sense have many clinic make 800k a year is u good
I still don't respect u if u are a sucky health screener who wants me to refer a patient to cardiology becuase the ECG report st elevation when it's just benign early reploarization

boss thx for ur info. can i corroborate,
assuming 3% increment every year, 3 years to AC, 4 years after become con, 5% increment between grades, 4 month bonus + 1 month AWS

Deputy head (AC) = ~204k
Head (Con) = ~250k

Assuming increment on lower side since thats what i hear historically, correct? also how many years then hit salary cap?

Silly qn, can I ask what is the average bonus for a consultant in hospital (excluding aws)
I was quite shocked when my friend (who is an AC in a non procedure speciality) shared with me that her bonus is actually less than ops bonus. (Of course, she didn't go much into the details, also not sure if she is trolling me)
- I told her ops mmed fp is ard 4 mths plus 1 month aws. (At least that's what my hr quoted me), and she say hospital bonus is lower than that.

And her base pay is only ard 11k (excluding allowance) which I also think is quite ? Low

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Silly qn, can I ask what is the average bonus for a consultant in hospital (excluding aws)
I was quite shocked when my friend (who is an AC in a non procedure speciality) shared with me that her bonus is actually less than ops bonus. (Of course, she didn't go much into the details, also not sure if she is trolling me)
- I told her ops mmed fp is ard 4 mths plus 1 month aws. (At least that's what my hr quoted me), and she say hospital bonus is lower than that.

And her base pay is only ard 11k (excluding allowance) which I also think is quite ? Low

ndividual bonus is usually 1.x month. Very good then 2.x months. Save the world kind or get some huge research grant then 3 months.
with coporate bonus that ranges usually about 1.x and AWS its really 3.x
generally ur base x 15 + allowance x 12 is a good estimate la.
Most non procedure AC gets about 180-200K annual
but they C in 2 years
got a decent jump at that. plus if got private patient, earn more ( dun underestimate this part earning potential)
Insurance coverage also better

i dunno where OPS 5 months bonus legend comes from.
1 month AWS, 1.x month coporate, then personal one, i never receive more than 2 and i'm above average performer.
if u average out the service and quality component into an average monthly then its also not 5 months because its MORE than 5 months.

ops u get AC pay after m.med when pple from your same batch still slogging it out as a reg.
but sian la. 5.5 day a week everyday see patient. Endless patient
generally once u hit AC , u should get some responsibilities, then maybe get some PT now and then to chill a bit.

Tldr

Ops pay higher than hosp con
Ops pay higher than gp
Ops pay are competitive

Originally Posted by unregistered

tldr

ops pay higher than hosp con
ops pay higher than gp
ops pay are competitive

tldr tldr

ops pay is the best!

Whats happening to ops pay increase ?
Supposed to be oct and now is already jan

Originally Posted by Unregistered

tldr tldr

ops pay is the best!

U do know you sound silly ?

Ops pay is not the best for sure.
But it's competitive
Cannot fight what public pays for Ortho, eye etc but given how hard
it is to enter those compared to FM, par for the value.

The unfortunate fact is that FM tends to draw less motivated pple who are looking for a backup,
Who try for FM after few unsuccessful tries at other more competitive speciality
Motivated residents tend to do very well ( and we are not taking about taking on leadership
positions) much like how they do well in other specialities

While FM and GP has considerable overlap
They are not the same
The GP who never trained cannot handle complex chronic like us for example or engage in appropriate clinical reasoning to best help our patients ( GP is refer to a&e or go polyclinic for further management
There are good solid gp but my experience is not many of them
M.med FM also got lousy ones but by and large generally ok.

Comparing ops/Ch salary to private GP is pointless but unfortunately a never ending comparison
It's like teachers in public and teacher who turn to tuition.
If tuition teaching really pays more, why still so many teachers with moe?
Sometimes it's not the pay but the work, the working hours, the working environment

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Whats happening to ops pay increase ?
Supposed to be oct and now is already jan

Not happening IIRC

Originally Posted by Unregistered

U do know you sound silly ?

Ops pay is not the best for sure.
But it's competitive
Cannot fight what public pays for Ortho, eye etc but given how hard
it is to enter those compared to FM, par for the value.

The unfortunate fact is that FM tends to draw less motivated pple who are looking for a backup,
Who try for FM after few unsuccessful tries at other more competitive speciality
Motivated residents tend to do very well ( and we are not taking about taking on leadership
positions) much like how they do well in other specialities

While FM and GP has considerable overlap
They are not the same
The GP who never trained cannot handle complex chronic like us for example or engage in appropriate clinical reasoning to best help our patients ( GP is refer to a&e or go polyclinic for further management
There are good solid gp but my experience is not many of them
M.med FM also got lousy ones but by and large generally ok.

Comparing ops/Ch salary to private GP is pointless but unfortunately a never ending comparison
It's like teachers in public and teacher who turn to tuition.
If tuition teaching really pays more, why still so many teachers with moe?
Sometimes it's not the pay but the work, the working hours, the working environment

I think FM got longer queue than Eye now. But pay still like crap.

It's not that GPs can't handle complex patients, Prog B MMed does exist you know?
It's just that they little incentive to do so.
If you stock Insulin how many patients are going to need it? Does it make business sense?
Easier to just spam MC and give all ARI Moxiflox. Anything more serious send to OPS/A&E.
No different from OPS ma. If you don't run RCC where are you going to get the time to properly see a complex patient? Or tell them "Sorry uncle your test not in subsidised list so I refer to hospital la".