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Old 03-01-2024, 10:45 AM
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actually.... management / leadership appointments probably still earn more than your regular salaried GP pay because even post MMed, the annual is already close to 200k. AC 200+k plus.
if you become C and above, plus leadership positions, the pay will surely exceed a salaried GP.

of course if you have profit sharing / own the clinic it's a different story. sky is the limit depending on patient load, aesthetics, etc
I see i see
Actually agree that post mmed pay v competitive already

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Old 03-01-2024, 11:21 AM
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Whats the pay difference between ops head
And family physician AC

Ac is base 11k + 4k allowance
I heard ops head got another 8k ?
Pls dont post fake news.
A lot of juniors reading this for salary advice.
No 4k allowance as AC in primary care.

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Pls dont post fake news.
A lot of juniors reading this for salary advice.
No 4k allowance as AC in primary care.
Where got fake
11k + 4K =15k
15k * 12= 180k

Now aws, year end, mid year and total bonus of 5mths
5mths * 11k = 55k


180k + 55k = 235k
This is standard for fm ac.

Mmed total comp is close to 200k.
Ac another 35 is standard

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Old 03-01-2024, 12:27 PM
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Pls dont post fake news.
A lot of juniors reading this for salary advice.
No 4k allowance as AC in primary care.
there are 2 camps here
camp 1 will say ac is 250k, mmed 200k, better life than gp of 180k
camp 2 insist ac is 150k, mmed is 120k, worse life than gp of 180k


So who is correct?
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Old 03-01-2024, 12:44 PM
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there are 2 camps here
camp 1 will say ac is 250k, mmed 200k, better life than gp of 180k
camp 2 insist ac is 150k, mmed is 120k, worse life than gp of 180k


So who is correct?
Camp 1 figures are more accurate. Maybe round-down 10%.
Whether better life than GP.. Depends loh.
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Old 03-01-2024, 01:33 PM
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Where got fake
11k + 4K =15k
15k * 12= 180k

Now aws, year end, mid year and total bonus of 5mths
5mths * 11k = 55k


180k + 55k = 235k
This is standard for fm ac.

Mmed total comp is close to 200k.
Ac another 35 is standard
Lolz.
Confirm fake.
Anyone who work in ops will know the bulk of the ' bonus' is not counted in months.

Leadership position don't mean u rich.
Deputy head 1k more a month
Head 1.5k
At hq, deputy director 1k, director 1.5k
Senior director 2k

Hq don't write policy la.
They just there to put out fire
Ensure systems run and provide guidance.
Sai kang also a lot

Clinical rank only got 4
M.med FP
Ac FP
C FP
SC FP

Each promotion 5 to 8 percent.
Service component 1.25 to 2 to 3 to 4k

Leadership position u dont mean u sure get good ranking cos u rank along Ur peers
Every clinic head zai, u regress to mean, still meet expectations Nia

U get c earliest 3.5 years after ac
Zai one half a year earlier.
Slow one 4 or 5 years or maybe never.
Typically after m.med, u take on sai kang with fcfp can get at year 8 or 9 after m.m

U can calculate a con pay liao

Some GP will tell u they make more
Ya. Sure.
Who cares.

For what's it's worth , MBBS make 200k I think very good liao
U good business sense have many clinic make 800k a year is u good
I still don't respect u if u are a sucky health screener who wants me to refer a patient to cardiology becuase the ECG report st elevation when it's just benign early reploarization
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Old 03-01-2024, 01:35 PM
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depends on what you mean by waste time
some people feel 'wasting time' is seeing 100 URTI GE per day
some people want to go HQ and shake leg and write policies
'wasting time' is relative, depends on your values and what you prioritise in life
Ya, fcfp only relevant if you want to go hq, write policies, or take on leadership roles in fm. (i.e make a genuine attempt to change fm practice in Singapore)
If you just want a simple life, money, or just do clinical work, fcfp not so relevant I feel. (at least for ops and gp land, CH maybe different). I find it interesting that most overseas country fm training is 3 years only, with an exit exam. (E.g mrcgpuk for UK, there is no exam after that)

Problem I feel is that most people choose fm (including fm residents) as they want a simple life with work life balance, hate calls/hospital work. Very few I met in my residency batch, senior or junior residency batch actually have the drive or intention to actually make a change to fm.

I personally think that fm in Singapore, esp in private is so heterogeneous, that it is very difficult to raise the standards /make a change to the scene. There is very little regulations/policing to how gps practice in private (compared to UK/aust for e.g)
There have been talks about wanting to raise the standards, but if you want to disallow people without mmed/gdfm to practice independently, ops/Ed will collapse with the extra load)
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Ya, fcfp only relevant if you want to go hq, write policies, or take on leadership roles in fm. (i.e make a genuine attempt to change fm practice in Singapore)
If you just want a simple life, money, or just do clinical work, fcfp not so relevant I feel. (at least for ops and gp land, CH maybe different). I find it interesting that most overseas country fm training is 3 years only, with an exit exam. (E.g mrcgpuk for UK, there is no exam after that)

Problem I feel is that most people choose fm (including fm residents) as they want a simple life with work life balance, hate calls/hospital work. Very few I met in my residency batch, senior or junior residency batch actually have the drive or intention to actually make a change to fm.

I personally think that fm in Singapore, esp in private is so heterogeneous, that it is very difficult to raise the standards /make a change to the scene. There is very little regulations/policing to how gps practice in private (compared to UK/aust for e.g)
There have been talks about wanting to raise the standards, but if you want to disallow people without mmed/gdfm to practice independently, ops/Ed will collapse with the extra load)
That's not true la. There are some who went in wanting to change the system. But the administration has no interest in changing it.

It's been mentioned before. Primary Care in Singapore is intended to be cheap and accessible.

And that honestly means that FM will never become a specialty like in other countries because then an FM specialist can and should demand the same working standards as any other specialist. That means longer appointments, higher consult fees, etc.

All these mean that primary care will cease to be the (relatively) affordable visit that it is today.

It also means all your MMed and FCFP are useless because GP don't want to see complex patients since those don't make them money. And OPS is too freaking swamped to properly see at a MMed+ standard - not to mention SOCs also want to keep the simpler cases that MMed can see for themselves.

So we're stuck because the needs/demands of the population and government greatly differ from the doctors running it.

Everyone outside wants easy access to doctors and cheap MC. Anything more serious get referral see specialist.
MMed+ FPs want to actually use what they have learnt... But it's just not built that way.

That's why there are a million posts telling juniors here.. Don't do FM.
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Lolz.
Confirm fake.
Anyone who work in ops will know the bulk of the ' bonus' is not counted in months.

Leadership position don't mean u rich.
Deputy head 1k more a month
Head 1.5k
At hq, deputy director 1k, director 1.5k
Senior director 2k

Hq don't write policy la.
They just there to put out fire
Ensure systems run and provide guidance.
Sai kang also a lot

Clinical rank only got 4
M.med FP
Ac FP
C FP
SC FP

Each promotion 5 to 8 percent.
Service component 1.25 to 2 to 3 to 4k

Leadership position u dont mean u sure get good ranking cos u rank along Ur peers
Every clinic head zai, u regress to mean, still meet expectations Nia

U get c earliest 3.5 years after ac
Zai one half a year earlier.
Slow one 4 or 5 years or maybe never.
Typically after m.med, u take on sai kang with fcfp can get at year 8 or 9 after m.m

U can calculate a con pay liao

Some GP will tell u they make more
Ya. Sure.
Who cares.

For what's it's worth , MBBS make 200k I think very good liao
U good business sense have many clinic make 800k a year is u good
I still don't respect u if u are a sucky health screener who wants me to refer a patient to cardiology becuase the ECG report st elevation when it's just benign early reploarization
Do you feel age plays a huge factor in one's career decision?
Earliest one can get mmed is at age 28.5 (girls who get into residency immediately post med school). If they chiong fcfp, can still get con at year 8/9, (i.e age 37/38) still ok I guess.
But if one finishes mmed mid 30s (drs who join residency late, duke students or program b people), year 8/9 post mmed is like early -mid 40s, not sure if that is an attractive option anymore. (Not sure if it's just better to leave for gp land instead for this group of people)

Just my personal thoughts/opinion la
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Old 03-01-2024, 05:17 PM
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That's not true la. There are some who went in wanting to change the system. But the administration has no interest in changing it.

It's been mentioned before. Primary Care in Singapore is intended to be cheap and accessible.

And that honestly means that FM will never become a specialty like in other countries because then an FM specialist can and should demand the same working standards as any other specialist. That means longer appointments, higher consult fees, etc.

All these mean that primary care will cease to be the (relatively) affordable visit that it is today.

It also means all your MMed and FCFP are useless because GP don't want to see complex patients since those don't make them money. And OPS is too freaking swamped to properly see at a MMed+ standard - not to mention SOCs also want to keep the simpler cases that MMed can see for themselves.

So we're stuck because the needs/demands of the population and government greatly differ from the doctors running it.

Everyone outside wants easy access to doctors and cheap MC. Anything more serious get referral see specialist.
MMed+ FPs want to actually use what they have learnt... But it's just not built that way.

That's why there are a million posts telling juniors here.. Don't do FM.

Summed it up perfectly here.
Only consolation/saving grace for fm is that it does allow a Dr more flexibility in working hrs and faster route to get out of the public system la.
But I agree that in sg, fps will never get the recognition that their counterparts do in other countries (either from patients or their peers)
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