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Old 11-06-2020, 11:41 AM
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Agreed, probably some salty.
Is this one of those schemes where they're being hired as "assocs but not assocs". One of the B4 used to roll out these "assoc but not assoc" schemes and that was the range offered.

This was some years back though, not sure if they still practice this.

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Anyway I知 fairly senior but I知 taking time to write this...

I don稚 know about you but to not be retained at an early stage of your career, you値l eventually become very disillusioned with everything in life.
You値l treat people with suspicion, including a spouse or partner.
You値l be very cynical, finding that no one gave you a chance.
You値l hate the world, you値l hate life in general.

This also applies to people who are laid off very early on in their careers.
In other words, you値l lose the positivity. You値l treat juniors the same in future as the world has not been kind to you.

You値l be so disillusioned that every thing in your life becomes negative and gloomy.

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Old 11-06-2020, 12:19 PM
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Anyway I知 fairly senior but I知 taking time to write this...

I don稚 know about you but to not be retained at an early stage of your career, you値l eventually become very disillusioned with everything in life.
You値l treat people with suspicion, including a spouse or partner.
You値l be very cynical, finding that no one gave you a chance.
You値l hate the world, you値l hate life in general.

This also applies to people who are laid off very early on in their careers.
In other words, you値l lose the positivity. You値l treat juniors the same in future as the world has not been kind to you.

You値l be so disillusioned that every thing in your life becomes negative and gloomy.
Very true for me

Every day I sit at home, stewing in misery, and just waiting for the next problem to batter me even further

Since losing my job last year, I've also been diagnosed with an autoimmune disease, watched as my parents dumped what little cash they have into get rich quick schemes. I also have to downgrade my lifestyle, I have to think 3x before I buy clothes

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Old 11-06-2020, 12:53 PM
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Anyway I知 fairly senior but I知 taking time to write this...

I don稚 know about you but to not be retained at an early stage of your career, you値l eventually become very disillusioned with everything in life.
You値l treat people with suspicion, including a spouse or partner.
You値l be very cynical, finding that no one gave you a chance.
You値l hate the world, you値l hate life in general.

This also applies to people who are laid off very early on in their careers.
In other words, you値l lose the positivity. You値l treat juniors the same in future as the world has not been kind to you.

You値l be so disillusioned that every thing in your life becomes negative and gloomy.
You're exaggerating..
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You're exaggerating..
In any case, why would having/not having a job affect your worldview? If you are that fragile you'll never succeed in anything you do. I got retained, I don't think it's a big deal. The trade-offs are always there. If you're not retained you have a blank slate to find somewhere that fits you better as a person and as an employee.

Heck, you could even start a billion dollar gaming empire and the whole industry will be at your beck and call since law is a service industry (like fast food, customer service lines, relationship managers) (My end goal is to work at said company, I think it's cool).

This is what life is. Make what you will of it, but failure at an early stage does not mean anything for your career. Some of us peak out early, some of us peak late but reach greater heights.

Similarly, if you have a FCH but you don't/can't manage clients, you're the best cog in the machine, but if you have a third class and can give client-centric advice, you're the machine being operated by the client.

To many of us it is what it is - A Job.
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In any case, why would having/not having a job affect your worldview? If you are that fragile you'll never succeed in anything you do. I got retained, I don't think it's a big deal. The trade-offs are always there. If you're not retained you have a blank slate to find somewhere that fits you better as a person and as an employee.

Heck, you could even start a billion dollar gaming empire and the whole industry will be at your beck and call since law is a service industry (like fast food, customer service lines, relationship managers) (My end goal is to work at said company, I think it's cool).

This is what life is. Make what you will of it, but failure at an early stage does not mean anything for your career. Some of us peak out early, some of us peak late but reach greater heights.

Similarly, if you have a FCH but you don't/can't manage clients, you're the best cog in the machine, but if you have a third class and can give client-centric advice, you're the machine being operated by the client.

To many of us it is what it is - A Job.
Second lower, I mean. Forgot.
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In any case, why would having/not having a job affect your worldview? If you are that fragile you'll never succeed in anything you do. I got retained, I don't think it's a big deal. The trade-offs are always there. If you're not retained you have a blank slate to find somewhere that fits you better as a person and as an employee.

Heck, you could even start a billion dollar gaming empire and the whole industry will be at your beck and call since law is a service industry (like fast food, customer service lines, relationship managers) (My end goal is to work at said company, I think it's cool).

This is what life is. Make what you will of it, but failure at an early stage does not mean anything for your career. Some of us peak out early, some of us peak late but reach greater heights.

Similarly, if you have a FCH but you don't/can't manage clients, you're the best cog in the machine, but if you have a third class and can give client-centric advice, you're the machine being operated by the client.

To many of us it is what it is - A Job.
It's easy to understand and agree with this on a cerebral level. But when you are actually jobless, there's an increasing psychologically strain. Have seen this play out with multiple people. It doesn't take long for the first signs of anxiety to seep in. However, good on you if you can maintain a positive mindset.

See the other salary.sg thread about being jobless for a long time.
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It's easy to understand and agree with this on a cerebral level. But when you are actually jobless, there's an increasing psychologically strain. Have seen this play out with multiple people. It doesn't take long for the first signs of anxiety to seep in. However, good on you if you can maintain a positive mindset.

See the other salary.sg thread about being jobless for a long time.
Exactly... the poster who got retained... obviously you did not have the 澱ad luck to experience the other side of things.
Would you rather trade the success you had for failure?
It痴 easy for someone to say 登h that person is so fragile, won稚 make it.
Some ppl were never given a chance very early on because they had such horrible and PTSD inducing bosses.
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Exactly... the poster who got retained... obviously you did not have the 澱ad luck to experience the other side of things.
Would you rather trade the success you had for failure?
It痴 easy for someone to say 登h that person is so fragile, won稚 make it.
Some ppl were never given a chance very early on because they had such horrible and PTSD inducing bosses.
I agree insofar that I cannot understand OP's grounds on an emotional level as to retention. But if someone asks have you ever worked at a PTSD inducing firm/department, I can definitely attest to pulling 3am nights or not sleeping for 2 or more days working on high stress matters, being treated like any other junior out there (blamed for things).

These experiences are not rare, and in fact, if you knew me you won't be saying that I can't understand. End of the day we all have to earn our stripes like everyone else. I have burnt out before, like every other junior, but I always pick myself up and you should too.
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unretained looking for positions now market truly sucks lol. Also anyone heard of CMS Holbein Asia? How痴 it like there
Quite a good boutique shop in SG. CMS is like a Dentons in Europe with thousands of lawyers.

The SG office is essentially Holborn Law, originally with a TMT and arbitration focused firm called Olswang that merged with CMS.
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