Cornell vs Cambridge vs SMU

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi, I'm a 2010 grad from Wharton's undergraduate program and will be working in New York. I would say that most of us (including me) got jobs through on-campus recruitment. The Bulge Bracket offers this year for me and my fellow graduates were about $80-90K and a $20-30K signon bonus as a generalist analyst. I'm told they were higher than last year by Wharton's career placement office (which is a really fantastic organisation). I'm told that some of the top students like the valedictorian were able to get offers over $100K. There was a guaranteed minimum bonus in some of our offers, but most of us expect to get more - at least 6-12 months for our first bonus because we are going to work our asses off. The guys who went to the boutiques, hedge funds and smaller firms got a little less at $40-70K.

feels good to inflate that number a little bit to make you feel important eh? don't worry, i've been there, done that. my guess is you are probably offered 75k base with 10k sign on and 5k relocation (if you are lucky). And guaranteed bonus for generalist analyst? who are you kidding? Also, 6-12months because you work hard? kiddo, it is not how hard you work, it is how much rain you bring in, and go read frank-dodd.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Guys, there is no need to argue. The graduate salaries are published by the Universities and available on the internet.

From what I can see, the mean first year salary for a fresh Stanford MBA Grad in the Class of 2010 working in the Northeast (i.e., New York City) is $130,741. His mean signing bonus was $31,250 and his other mean guaranteed compensation was $133,375. So the mean total comp was $295,366. Phew! The median was $265,000.

However, most chose to work in the West (LA, SFO), and the mean total compensation was $197,830. Looks like there is a $100K difference between the West and the Northeast!

I graduated from Stanford a good number of years back. You need to understand some concept of statistics to appreciate those numbers properly. Mean or average is particularly susceptible to outliers. Look at the median instead

Here's the stats from stanford website:
Positions & Compensation: MBA Program: Stanford GSB
Class of 2010
Base salary: $120,000 median with a range of $40,000 to $330,000
Signing bonus: $20,000 median with a range of $2,500 to $100,000
Other guaranteed compensation: $25,000 median with a range of $9,000 to $300,000

More specifically for IB Associate (http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/cmc/repo...ort_09_10l.pdf)
Base (median/mean/range) = 100k/96k/60k-110k
Sign on = 40k/37k/10k-50k
Guaranteed = 0/0/0

Again, analyst makes 30-40% less. And guaranteed bonus for analyst? that's a rare rarity.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

But aren't you actually saying that California is wrong because he estimated $60-80K and you are estimating $80-120K? Also, when I add up your numbers, you seem to be estimating $90-$140K rather than $80-120K that is 70+20+50 = 140

dude, learn to read before you comment.

I say 80-120k, excluding sign on, which is 90-140k with sign on. get it?

Also, we are not doing precision math here. Ball park, dude, ball park. Between california and the unregistered, california is in the ball park.

what's your obsession with precision here? you need professional help?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

stop being a twit. i worked or work for two of the 3 firms you mentioned. And base compensation for the analyst program is fixed regardless of where you graduate. And you don't need to run a unit to decide analyst pay because it comes from a common pool.

i don't think you know what you are talking about, or at least, i'm sure you have very limited, probably no, first-hand experience, and are probably arguing on hearsay.

120k for a fresh grad is a dream, even in nyc, where the median family salary is around 60-80k.

get a life, and shut up already.

At least the other chap was polite and helpful. You are just an asshole and judging from your poor english, you are another keyboard warrior who needs to get a life.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I graduated from Stanford a good number of years back. You need to understand some concept of statistics to appreciate those numbers properly. Mean or average is particularly susceptible to outliers. Look at the median instead

Here's the stats from stanford website:
Positions & Compensation: MBA Program: Stanford GSB
Class of 2010
Base salary: $120,000 median with a range of $40,000 to $330,000
Signing bonus: $20,000 median with a range of $2,500 to $100,000
Other guaranteed compensation: $25,000 median with a range of $9,000 to $300,000

More specifically for IB Associate (http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/cmc/repo...ort_09_10l.pdf)
Base (median/mean/range) = 100k/96k/60k-110k
Sign on = 40k/37k/10k-50k
Guaranteed = 0/0/0

Again, analyst makes 30-40% less. And guaranteed bonus for analyst? that's a rare rarity.

The numbers you quote are for all Stanford MBA Grads. If you follow your 2nd link to the details, you will see that the median base salary for Northeast was $120K. The median signing bonus was $20K and the median Other guaranteed compensation was $125K. That makes $265K. 30-40% less = $159K-$186K

For "Investment Banker", the Guaranteed was 0/0/0, but for analyst, under Guaranteed it was 50k/69k/13k-200k

Originally Posted by Unregistered

dude, learn to read before you comment.

I say 80-120k, excluding sign on, which is 90-140k with sign on. get it?

Also, we are not doing precision math here. Ball park, dude, ball park. Between california and the unregistered, california is in the ball park.

what's your obsession with precision here? you need professional help?

Perhaps its the way you write that's confusing. Sign on is a bonus right, so its $90-140K. If California is saying $60-80K, how can $90-140K be in the ballpark? Your ballpark is pretty big

Originally Posted by Unregistered

feels good to inflate that number a little bit to make you feel important eh? don't worry, i've been there, done that. my guess is you are probably offered 75k base with 10k sign on and 5k relocation (if you are lucky). And guaranteed bonus for generalist analyst? who are you kidding? Also, 6-12months because you work hard? kiddo, it is not how hard you work, it is how much rain you bring in, and go read frank-dodd.

Your reference to Frank-Dodd shows your ignorance. It applies to Executive compensation (like the CEO) not first year employees!! In fact, the main impact from the various acts is to boost base salaries. If you haven't had a 20-30% boost to your salary (and lower bonus this year), you clearly didn't go to Stanford or work in a bulge bracket investment bank. Haha.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Your reference to Frank-Dodd shows your ignorance. It applies to Executive compensation (like the CEO) not first year employees!! In fact, the main impact from the various acts is to boost base salaries. If you haven't had a 20-30% boost to your salary (and lower bonus this year), you clearly didn't go to Stanford or work in a bulge bracket investment bank. Haha.

you are a waste of my time. heard of the concept of back propagation? if your boss makes 2M, what is the likelihood that you make 100k? Now, if your boss's boss makes 2M, what is the likelihood that you make 100k. Now, go propagate.

Frank Dodd directly affects top executives' remuneration; top executives' remuneration directly affects the package of those below them.

You are probably just a student with no working experience and hoping you will break into ib.

Now really, shut up already.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The numbers you quote are for all Stanford MBA Grads. If you follow your 2nd link to the details, you will see that the median base salary for Northeast was $120K. The median signing bonus was $20K and the median Other guaranteed compensation was $125K. That makes $265K. 30-40% less = $159K-$186K

For "Investment Banker", the Guaranteed was 0/0/0, but for analyst, under Guaranteed it was 50k/69k/13k-200k

Kekekeke. The hotshot Stanford Graduate from New York finally discovers that he was underpaid relative to his Stanford peers.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

you are a waste of my time. heard of the concept of back propagation? if your boss makes 2M, what is the likelihood that you make 100k? Now, if your boss's boss makes 2M, what is the likelihood that you make 100k. Now, go propagate.

Frank Dodd directly affects top executives' remuneration; top executives' remuneration directly affects the package of those below them.

You are probably just a student with no working experience and hoping you will break into ib.

Now really, shut up already.

Nobody has heard of "back propagation" and Frank Dodd doesn't even apply to the 2M guy. It applies to the $400M guy who now has to be happy with $50M.

The more you open your mouth, the less credibility you have. Back propagation. Hahahahahahahaha