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21-05-2015, 09:33 PM
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MX11, male, early 30s
got 400 for MI....'B' grade
is that on the low side?
im fairly certain my cep is mx9
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21-05-2015, 09:42 PM
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Haha. You wish. Public sector is the biggest dumping ground out there. Yes. The starting salary and increments are high. But if you compare 2 local grads in both public sector and private sector, the one who entered private sector will always win down the road.
The trick is simple, lure young fresh grads with high starting salaries. Once you spend 10 years in there, you're trapped in public service. Most dont dare to venture into the private sector because the pace and culture is very different.
Its like SAF regulars. Lure them with high starting pay and signing bonuses. Once they're in, they wont leave. After 5-8 years down the road, their peers will be earning way more than them. Unless of course, one is a PSC scholar. But even then, a PSC calibre could have made much more in the private sector in MA programs. |
I highly doubt so.
Yes, there will be ppl who earn way more than civil servants, but definitely not all, perhaps not even 50%.
A degree-holding civil servant's income is typically slightly above the median gross salary of deg-holders across all age groups as reported in 'Labor Force in Singapore, 2013'.
Furthermore, if you factor in other non-wage benefits such as job stability, work-life balance, child/family support, etc., not many degree holders in the private sectors are as well off as their counterparts in civil service.
In all, if you have the ability and drive to be in the top quartile, then private sector is for you. Otherwise, civil service has a better risk/effort-to-money ratio.
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21-05-2015, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
MX11, male, early 30s
got 400 for MI....'B' grade
is that on the low side?
im fairly certain my cep is mx9
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Pretty average
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21-05-2015, 09:58 PM
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not really. public sector pay is designed to overpay at the start & stagnate at later stage (usually after 40).
the gov not stupid. they know when ppl are young many are tempted to move into pte sector, so they give good increment/promotion. but unless ur classified as hipo CEP, most ppl will find their prospect slowing down a lot after 40 becauz once u reach that age, pte sector not interested in u anymore and ur "stuck" in public sector so they can afford to "bochup" u.
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]I highly doubt so.
Yes, there will be ppl who earn way more than civil servants, but definitely not all, perhaps not even 50%.
A degree-holding civil servant's income is typically slightly above the median gross salary of deg-holders across all age groups as reported in 'Labor Force in Singapore, 2013'.
Furthermore, if you factor in other non-wage benefits such as job stability, work-life balance, child/family support, etc., not many degree holders in the private sectors are as well off as their counterparts in civil service.
In all, if you have the ability and drive to be in the top quartile, then private sector is for you. Otherwise, civil service has a better risk/effort-to-money ratio.
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I agree with what this poster has said. People in the pte sector stagnate at middle manager positions too, and at lower ranks and salaries than their counterparts in CS... the pte sector is profit oriented, and management ranks are generally kept lean, not like CS where there are quite a lot of high paying middle managers around. It will only pay off if you are of the caliber to make it into the HOD and above levels in the pte sector, otherwise you are better off in CS.
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22-05-2015, 08:46 AM
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My take is
If you are just average performer. just stay in CS
If you are high-high-flier, go private sector
My opinion is the CS is better than private in term of salary.
People around my age group 32-34 at MX11 getting 6k-7k salary basic...
Some of my friends as well as me in private sector still getting low 4k as basic...and would need another 8-10 years (with 2 promotions) to hit 6k basic...
By that time those counterpart of my same age group would be getting 8k-10k basic even when they had hit the glass ceiling.....
CS for the win!!!
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Yes, in CS and with little effort and average/under average C performers can get to 6-7k in mid 30s quite easily...
So the question is, can an average C performer in CS automatically parachute themselves into a HOD management position in the pte sector at age 40? Don't forget there are loads of FTs that you have to compete against, unlike CS.
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22-05-2015, 01:40 PM
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Yes, in CS and with little effort and average/under average C performers can get to 6-7k in mid 30s quite easily...
So the question is, can an average C performer in CS automatically parachute themselves into a HOD management position in the pte sector at age 40? Don't forget there are loads of FTs that you have to compete against, unlike CS.
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Thats a strange misconception as some parts of CS also hire FTs... CS is not a "singaporean-only" workplace.
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22-05-2015, 06:46 PM
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Seeking advice from all civil and public servants. Is it advisable to quit within one month if I got an offer from a more attractive (more prospects but same package) ministry or stat board?
Will there be any repercussions or will offer be revoked altogether if they find out?
Has it happened before?
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23-05-2015, 01:52 AM
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Thats a strange misconception as some parts of CS also hire FTs... CS is not a "singaporean-only" workplace.
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Nope. CS only hires Singaporeans. IIRC only stat boards are allowed to hire PRs. And virtually zero FTs. Yes, zero.
Stat boards do hire PRs, I think. But stat boards are 'public servants'. Whereas ministries are 'civil servants'. There is a clear line of difference, even if nuanced.
Even so, your statement that 'CS also hire FTs' is clearly false. Civil service does not hire any foreigners.
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23-05-2015, 01:58 AM
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I highly doubt so.
Yes, there will be ppl who earn way more than civil servants, but definitely not all, perhaps not even 50%.
A degree-holding civil servant's income is typically slightly above the median gross salary of deg-holders across all age groups as reported in 'Labor Force in Singapore, 2013'.
Furthermore, if you factor in other non-wage benefits such as job stability, work-life balance, child/family support, etc., not many degree holders in the private sectors are as well off as their counterparts in civil service.
In all, if you have the ability and drive to be in the top quartile, then private sector is for you. Otherwise, civil service has a better risk/effort-to-money ratio.
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If you consider the fact that local universities take in roughly the top 25% of the academic cohort. And the ones that can succeed in private sector are the top quartile as you've said. It means that most local uni grads can actually succeed well in the private sector.
That's why I said, from my perspective, as a local uni grad, that CS is a dumping ground. Because only the bottom quartile of the graduates(not only in terms of academics, but also work ethic, drive etc.) will want to end up there.
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