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Family medicine
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Ya, hard to determine who are genuine and who are trolls on this forum. Sadly, seems to have more trolls recently.
But I thought some of the advice given here during the week post mmed (pages 660+) quite genuine.

I hope this forum is a good source of genuine info for lost residents. I mean it's hard to approach your boss/faculty sometimes as they are all public minded and confirm want you to stay 😂

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Old 14-01-2024, 09:51 AM
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Guys i heard its out

Gdfm fp - 10% increment
Mmed fp - 5% increment
Mmed ac and above : no increment as pay is
Market competitive
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For GDFM FP that is actually very good, will be almost on par with MMED FP already since getting same QI bonuses.
When will this be formally started or announced?

Previously around 1 k pay disparity from MMED FP and GDFM FP , that will be now reduced by around 50% or more depending on PGY

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With that supposed pay increase GDFM FP will be more at par with private already BUT still not quite there yet , PLUS the mental stress of OPS just makes it not as worth it.

I am seeing a trend of man GDFM FP and interestingly young MMED FP and even young AC ( though not as many as MMED/GDFM FP) leaving OPS to join private. They pay might be only slightly higher in private but its all got to do with stress in OPS.

The younger doctors are no longer of the mentality of " slog it " to " farm" . They are looking for work life balance and also mental well being, their mental bandwith is also clearly lesser than senior docs and its high time people in the higher ups realise that.

Changing doctor Q to 10-15 min slots will be necessary
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With that supposed pay increase GDFM FP will be more at par with private already BUT still not quite there yet , PLUS the mental stress of OPS just makes it not as worth it.

I am seeing a trend of man GDFM FP and interestingly young MMED FP and even young AC ( though not as many as MMED/GDFM FP) leaving OPS to join private. They pay might be only slightly higher in private but its all got to do with stress in OPS.

The younger doctors are no longer of the mentality of " slog it " to " farm" . They are looking for work life balance and also mental well being, their mental bandwith is also clearly lesser than senior docs and its high time people in the higher ups realise that.

Changing doctor Q to 10-15 min slots will be necessary
Private work life balance also not that great also la
Couple of evening and every weekend burn
Annual leave not too much.
MC also cannot always take

Female go 4 month matternity Ur small chain boss will frown
Cme point also stress

The medical manpower cost is 120 an hour for most clinic
Open 11 hours a day is 1320
Means clinic no revenue of 2600 very hard to make business sense liao
Most clinic break even at 40 ish patient a day
Number wise as private GP u need see this number minimally
Same as ops.
Like some say congnitive load is higher. But it's relative.
I deal with ops CDM. Anything else I refer or offer to refer.
Not my job to be a hero. I dunno means I dunno.
U want take meds u take.
I'm not gonna counsel u too much.
Tell u facts, Ur DM control no good, u will die much earlier and not have a good life and be a burden to your loved ones.
That is with certainty.
You want us to help u?
Don't want ah?
Ok , run into problems dun come sue me can liao.
Bye. Collect meds, see u 3 months.
10 minutes can one.
Why stress urself managin his 5 co morbids exploring his ice and whatever movitional interviewing skills?
U got see specialist do any of this?
No right
Why FM need to do.
Rubbish.
Time to let patient have responsibity of their own health.


Ops I got 33 days annual leave , family care leave lei.
That is 6 and a half weeks
MC also clear at least 4 to 5 days a year

I volunteer to go back ns. Sometimes high key, 4 weeks gone
Wisdom tooth extract one, 1 week hl
Left 2 to extract
Go colonoscopy, hl 3 days.
2 years ago go do gd derm, 1 week attach at NSC. song da


Best job is stay in public as a specialist la.
Work hard 10 years
After that 5 years to get senior con
45 years onwards chill liao.
Narrow focus of things to do.
Anything else say u dunno, go ops to get referral

Come ops, I say I dunno
I send u to specialist.

Welcome to Singapore medicine.
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Private work life balance also not that great also la
Couple of evening and every weekend burn
Annual leave not too much.
MC also cannot always take

Female go 4 month matternity Ur small chain boss will frown
Cme point also stress

The medical manpower cost is 120 an hour for most clinic
Open 11 hours a day is 1320
Means clinic no revenue of 2600 very hard to make business sense liao
Most clinic break even at 40 ish patient a day
Number wise as private GP u need see this number minimally
Same as ops.
Like some say congnitive load is higher. But it's relative.
I deal with ops CDM. Anything else I refer or offer to refer.
Not my job to be a hero. I dunno means I dunno.
U want take meds u take.
I'm not gonna counsel u too much.
Tell u facts, Ur DM control no good, u will die much earlier and not have a good life and be a burden to your loved ones.
That is with certainty.
You want us to help u?
Don't want ah?
Ok , run into problems dun come sue me can liao.
Bye. Collect meds, see u 3 months.
10 minutes can one.
Why stress urself managin his 5 co morbids exploring his ice and whatever movitional interviewing skills?
U got see specialist do any of this?
No right
Why FM need to do.
Rubbish.
Time to let patient have responsibity of their own health.


Ops I got 33 days annual leave , family care leave lei.
That is 6 and a half weeks
MC also clear at least 4 to 5 days a year

I volunteer to go back ns. Sometimes high key, 4 weeks gone
Wisdom tooth extract one, 1 week hl
Left 2 to extract
Go colonoscopy, hl 3 days.
2 years ago go do gd derm, 1 week attach at NSC. song da


Best job is stay in public as a specialist la.
Work hard 10 years
After that 5 years to get senior con
45 years onwards chill liao.
Narrow focus of things to do.
Anything else say u dunno, go ops to get referral

Come ops, I say I dunno
I send u to specialist.

Welcome to Singapore medicine.
The fact that you have 33 days AL suggest you are very senior, as we all know ops starts off with 24 days AL when you 1st sign. Hence, your reference point for benefits may not be so applicable for the juniors in their late 20s/early 30s

Would like to share about my own experience, having left the system last year post mmed

I have negotiated with 3-4 GP groups last year before eventually decided on one. Most offer 44hr/week. Eventually that works out to be 5 days 2 nights and you get both weekends off. Or 5 days, sat morning and 1 night). Permutations of hours very flexible in general. (Esp for some groups like one care)
- some clinics open from 8-3, 6-9pm. So if you don't work nights that day, you end at 3. (Which isn't too bad I feel)

Essentially none of my GP friends working for groups work more than 1 sat morning on weekend. (Not quite sure what you mean by every weekend burnt), and most do not work more than 1 night, which I feel is also acceptable. (Of course I appreciate everyone is different and have different priorities)

Leave wise, all groups I spoke to offer 21 days for a start with increment based on year of service, most groups also have exam/Train leave and CCL as well. MC is 14 days, hl 60 days (same as ops). So far no issues with taking MC for me. But I accept there is no FCL, however really the al is 3 days less for starters compared to ops

Paywise, most offer some form of bonus +/- aws and it ranges from 200-230k, ard 10% higher than ops 1st year mmeder. And there is yearly increment in private too (unlike myths spreading in this thread). I just received my increment after 1 year of service.

Eventually I opted for a CBD clinic 5.5 days 8-5, no nights)
- I know I got alt sat off during my ops days, but really the load is lower outside and less stressful
- 50% health screening/work permit checks, so essentially well patients with NO illness. Those with illness are self-limiting (urti/ge, or simple chronics not extending beyond htn/hld/DM)

I agree cme points have to keep up yourself, but usually not an issue if you attend cfps talks/skill courses (fpsc).

I did join a chain group, so far haven't got pressured too much into profits/losses for clinic yet (1 year in) and definitely less admin/other responsibilities (like teaching/arrows that I kena during ops days)

Guess if you are senior enough (like yourself), your hod (junior) also don't dare to arrow you. Lol
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The fact that you have 33 days AL suggest you are very senior, as we all know ops starts off with 24 days AL when you 1st sign. Hence, your reference point for benefits may not be so applicable for the juniors in their late 20s/early 30s

Would like to share about my own experience, having left the system last year post mmed

I have negotiated with 3-4 GP groups last year before eventually decided on one. Most offer 44hr/week. Eventually that works out to be 5 days 2 nights and you get both weekends off. Or 5 days, sat morning and 1 night). Permutations of hours very flexible in general. (Esp for some groups like one care)
- some clinics open from 8-3, 6-9pm. So if you don't work nights that day, you end at 3. (Which isn't too bad I feel)

Essentially none of my GP friends working for groups work more than 1 sat morning on weekend. (Not quite sure what you mean by every weekend burnt), and most do not work more than 1 night, which I feel is also acceptable. (Of course I appreciate everyone is different and have different priorities)

Leave wise, all groups I spoke to offer 21 days for a start with increment based on year of service, most groups also have exam/Train leave and CCL as well. MC is 14 days, hl 60 days (same as ops). So far no issues with taking MC for me. But I accept there is no FCL, however really the al is 3 days less for starters compared to ops

Paywise, most offer some form of bonus +/- aws and it ranges from 200-230k, ard 10% higher than ops 1st year mmeder. And there is yearly increment in private too (unlike myths spreading in this thread). I just received my increment after 1 year of service.

Eventually I opted for a CBD clinic 5.5 days 8-5, no nights)
- I know I got alt sat off during my ops days, but really the load is lower outside and less stressful
- 50% health screening/work permit checks, so essentially well patients with NO illness. Those with illness are self-limiting (urti/ge, or simple chronics not extending beyond htn/hld/DM)

I agree cme points have to keep up yourself, but usually not an issue if you attend cfps talks/skill courses (fpsc).

I did join a chain group, so far haven't got pressured too much into profits/losses for clinic yet (1 year in) and definitely less admin/other responsibilities (like teaching/arrows that I kena during ops days)

Guess if you are senior enough (like yourself), your hod (junior) also don't dare to arrow you. Lol
bro/sis can share which group? how much the increment.
From my knowledge the pay raise suggested is fake news. corroborated and no such thing.
Also feeling like my career opportunities in ops limited now, hq a lot of people and a lot of ppl in front of me in pecking order. How to progress?
Thanks for sharing about outside so many like me and lurkers have a better idea of what it is like on the ground.


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The fact that you have 33 days AL suggest you are very senior, as we all know ops starts off with 24 days AL when you 1st sign. Hence, your reference point for benefits may not be so applicable for the juniors in their late 20s/early 30s

Would like to share about my own experience, having left the system last year post mmed

I have negotiated with 3-4 GP groups last year before eventually decided on one. Most offer 44hr/week. Eventually that works out to be 5 days 2 nights and you get both weekends off. Or 5 days, sat morning and 1 night). Permutations of hours very flexible in general. (Esp for some groups like one care)
- some clinics open from 8-3, 6-9pm. So if you don't work nights that day, you end at 3. (Which isn't too bad I feel)

Essentially none of my GP friends working for groups work more than 1 sat morning on weekend. (Not quite sure what you mean by every weekend burnt), and most do not work more than 1 night, which I feel is also acceptable. (Of course I appreciate everyone is different and have different priorities)

Leave wise, all groups I spoke to offer 21 days for a start with increment based on year of service, most groups also have exam/Train leave and CCL as well. MC is 14 days, hl 60 days (same as ops). So far no issues with taking MC for me. But I accept there is no FCL, however really the al is 3 days less for starters compared to ops

Paywise, most offer some form of bonus +/- aws and it ranges from 200-230k, ard 10% higher than ops 1st year mmeder. And there is yearly increment in private too (unlike myths spreading in this thread). I just received my increment after 1 year of service.

Eventually I opted for a CBD clinic 5.5 days 8-5, no nights)
- I know I got alt sat off during my ops days, but really the load is lower outside and less stressful
- 50% health screening/work permit checks, so essentially well patients with NO illness. Those with illness are self-limiting (urti/ge, or simple chronics not extending beyond htn/hld/DM)

I agree cme points have to keep up yourself, but usually not an issue if you attend cfps talks/skill courses (fpsc).

I did join a chain group, so far haven't got pressured too much into profits/losses for clinic yet (1 year in) and definitely less admin/other responsibilities (like teaching/arrows that I kena during ops days)

Guess if you are senior enough (like yourself), your hod (junior) also don't dare to arrow you. Lol
agree you got a good deal. 200-230k is what 1st year FM AC gets. 1st year medder is just 180-200k.


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The fact that you have 33 days AL suggest you are very senior, as we all know ops starts off with 24 days AL when you 1st sign. Hence, your reference point for benefits may not be so applicable for the juniors in their late 20s/early 30s

Would like to share about my own experience, having left the system last year post mmed

I have negotiated with 3-4 GP groups last year before eventually decided on one. Most offer 44hr/week. Eventually that works out to be 5 days 2 nights and you get both weekends off. Or 5 days, sat morning and 1 night). Permutations of hours very flexible in general. (Esp for some groups like one care)
- some clinics open from 8-3, 6-9pm. So if you don't work nights that day, you end at 3. (Which isn't too bad I feel)

Essentially none of my GP friends working for groups work more than 1 sat morning on weekend. (Not quite sure what you mean by every weekend burnt), and most do not work more than 1 night, which I feel is also acceptable. (Of course I appreciate everyone is different and have different priorities)

Leave wise, all groups I spoke to offer 21 days for a start with increment based on year of service, most groups also have exam/Train leave and CCL as well. MC is 14 days, hl 60 days (same as ops). So far no issues with taking MC for me. But I accept there is no FCL, however really the al is 3 days less for starters compared to ops

Paywise, most offer some form of bonus +/- aws and it ranges from 200-230k, ard 10% higher than ops 1st year mmeder. And there is yearly increment in private too (unlike myths spreading in this thread). I just received my increment after 1 year of service.

Eventually I opted for a CBD clinic 5.5 days 8-5, no nights)
- I know I got alt sat off during my ops days, but really the load is lower outside and less stressful
- 50% health screening/work permit checks, so essentially well patients with NO illness. Those with illness are self-limiting (urti/ge, or simple chronics not extending beyond htn/hld/DM)

I agree cme points have to keep up yourself, but usually not an issue if you attend cfps talks/skill courses (fpsc).

I did join a chain group, so far haven't got pressured too much into profits/losses for clinic yet (1 year in) and definitely less admin/other responsibilities (like teaching/arrows that I kena during ops days)

Guess if you are senior enough (like yourself), your hod (junior) also don't dare to arrow you. Lol
8 to 3 is 7 hours so 35 hours 5 day week.
One sat is 5 hours.
So one weekday evening is 3 hour
Total then make 43 hours.
So every 1 month must do 1 extra evening?

If can get 220k before cpf with 21 days Al then very good lei

Why stay and be a miserable mo or resident
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bro/sis can share which group? how much the increment.
From my knowledge the pay raise suggested is fake news. corroborated and no such thing.
Also feeling like my career opportunities in ops limited now, hq a lot of people and a lot of ppl in front of me in pecking order. How to progress?
Thanks for sharing about outside so many like me and lurkers have a better idea of what it is like on the ground.
What do u mean by fake news ? The pay rise is definitely real as my boss mentioned it last year , im not sure about the % quoted though . It sounds too good to be true , hard to believe can get 10 %
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