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Originally Posted by Unregistered

lol are u Timothy Hia

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Cambridge acceptance rate: 21%

Harvard acceptance rate: 4.6%

Your statement is factually incorrect. Next to top American institutions, Cambridge (and its older brother Oxford) look like glorified state schools at best. Among the likes of Berkeley, UMich and UCLA.

The Ivy League - let alone the face of the Ivy League - is on another level altogether. Incomparable in wealth, power, prestige and alumni. Oxbridge is to Harvard, NUS is to Oxbridge.

Plebs here are obsessed with Oxbridge because it's the only 'top' institution they have a chance of attending. 80RP? 45 IB? 1600 SAT? Out of Raffles/Hwa Chong?

Nah, you're still not getting into Harvard, unless you've won the Nobel prize/cured cancer/professional athlete or something along those lines.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: wannabe scholars flock to Oxbridge. Our government sends a hundred or so every year to collect their degrees. Nothing special.

Only 1-5 Singaporeans have the privilege of being accepted into HYPSM every year. Attending a top American college is the mark of a true elite.

Hear hear. As much as I am just passing by and have nothing to do here, he makes sense.

No point doxxing him and revealing his personal details online, which by the way is an offence under POHA.

He is right. Anyway, law aside, Harvard graduates (or anyone of the HYPS) own 10 times more money than Cambridge graduates.

PEP is one thing. The White Shoe associates are paid extremely well in Singapore, more than the MC associates.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

lol are u Timothy Hia

It's him. The guy is notorious for bragging about his ivy league credentials within legal circles. However the truth is nobody really cares once you're 2-3 years in the profession. Oxbridge, Ivy League, you are still meat for the industry.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The fight between Harvard/Yale and Cambridge/Oxford is hilarious.

But for the purposes of putting things into perspective I did a quick check on Profit per equity partner of a white shoe (Cleary Gottlieb) versus a magic circle (slaughter & may) and results are interesting!

Both PEPs are at approx US$3M per year (2020 figures).
seriously don’t understand why people are so enamored but the white shoe. Try getting to a magic circle first.

The PEP for Watchtell Rosen Lipton and Katz is US$6.3m. Kirkland is $5.2m. Most of the top US/White shoe firms have a PEP of $3m to $4m.

Freshfields' PEP is US$2.3m, and it is already the second highest PEP in the Magic Circle. CC is less than FF. SM is the only outlier in the UK firms to pay EPs US$4m a year.

Therefore, your comparison used the top UK firm and the median US firm.

Out of the top 100 highest grossing international firms, only 12 are from the UK.

It is sad to watch Oxbridge get obliterated on this forum.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The PEP for Watchtell Rosen Lipton and Katz is US$6.3m. Kirkland is $5.2m. Most of the top US/White shoe firms have a PEP of $3m to $4m.

Freshfields' PEP is US$2.3m, and it is already the second highest PEP in the Magic Circle. CC is less than FF. SM is the only outlier in the UK firms to pay EPs US$4m a year.

Therefore, your comparison used the top UK firm and the median US firm.

Out of the top 100 highest grossing international firms, only 12 are from the UK.

Like I said, incomparable. Oxbridge would be a fringe Tier 10 schools in the US. And that's a generous estimation.

I reiterate. 4.6% acceptance rate. 90RP from Hwa Chong/Raffles? Doesn't matter. Unless you're a professional athlete/Nobel laureate to go along with that, Harvard admissions can and will automatically bin your application without a second glance.

Don't worry though, I'm sure Oxford and Cambridge will still welcome you with open arms. Oh, you're on a government scholarship too? Pretty much guaranteed entry then 😂

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Like I said, incomparable. Oxbridge would be a fringe Tier 10 schools in the US. And that's a generous estimation.

I reiterate. 4.6% acceptance rate. 90RP from Hwa Chong/Raffles? Doesn't matter. Unless you're a professional athlete/Nobel laureate to go along with that, Harvard admissions can and will automatically bin your application without a second glance.

Don't worry though, I'm sure Oxford and Cambridge will still welcome you with open arms. Oh, you're on a government scholarship too? Pretty much guaranteed entry then 😂

I agree with you that Oxbridge is a fringe school. I'm just pointing out that his PEP analysis used the top UK firm and the mid US firm.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I agree with you that Oxbridge is a fringe school. I'm just pointing out that his PEP analysis used the top UK firm and the mid US firm.

Do you also wonder why Singaporeans are obsessed with and glorify UK institutions in general? Not just Oxbridge, but even lesser institutions like LSE, Imperial and UCL? I mean with the latter two, you're getting down to NUS levels of sh*tiness. That's pretty damn embarrassing.

Could it be that our local universities are just that bad, that we unironically consider Oxbridge 'elite'? Elite in sinkieland, sure, but like I said - bring your Oxbridge degree to Wall Street and see how well you do in the financial and cultural capital of the human race. Where it really matters

Or maybe I'm overthinking this and there's just one too many Oxbridge graduates in here giving each other blowjobs. This is the most likely scenario, given how easy it actually is to get accepted into Oxbridge relative to HYPSM, and how many 'scholars' our government sends there every year 😂

Ooookay yadda yadda a lot of NUS / SMU / Durham students talking about whether Oxbridge or Harvard is better great stuff guys.

How were retention rates this year? Were things a bloodbath at a particular mid-sized boutique doing NY work again?