Civil/Public Sector - Ministry/Stat Boards employees knowledge needed!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

only kachang puteh private companies dont care, such as SME. MNC will ask for declaration. up to you if you want to declare nothing and keep fingers crossed. dont forget private company may not be so free to check regularly, but acra is under government so if you want to smoke public sector you better think twice. they can easily pull out all the info.

But declare also will be dropped as applicant or called up by management for answers right?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

But declare also will be dropped as applicant or called up by management for answers right?

no, declaration is same as "seek approval". 99% of the time the approval is not given and you are expected to exit the business once you are offered.

If an offer is made by HR for a civil service position, can it be negotiated further? I was told that once they prepare an offer for approval, they can't change it so easily and have to reapply to their respective heads for approval again?

Kindly advice.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

If an offer is made by HR for a civil service position, can it be negotiated further? I was told that once they prepare an offer for approval, they can't change it so easily and have to reapply to their respective heads for approval again?

Kindly advice.

Salary negotiation hapens only for senior superscale positions, the rest of the lower level offers are determined based on a formula table taking into account your age, years of experience and academic certs, so there is nothing to negotiate. Real life experience during my contract days with a ministry HR.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Salary negotiation hapens only for senior superscale positions, the rest of the lower level offers are determined based on a formula table taking into account your age, years of experience and academic certs, so there is nothing to negotiate. Real life experience during my contract days with a ministry HR.

Thanks for your advice (:

Even for AD/SAD non nego too?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Thanks for your advice (:

Even for AD/SAD non nego too?

AD/SAD are just standard lower to mid level ranks, so their package is calculated based on policy. HR will not vary.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

AD/SAD are just standard lower to mid level ranks, so their package is calculated based on policy. HR will not vary.

Its demoralising.. lol S.A.D base on the search here that states their salaries as $7200-9800.00 considered lower to mid level ranks.

My Manager appointment at private sector only $5500.00base. Means I am worse than them. (in terms of rank and pay scale)

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If I am PES C, pass degree only, no honour

what type of job can I do?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Its demoralising.. lol S.A.D base on the search here that states their salaries as $7200-9800.00 considered lower to mid level ranks.

My Manager appointment at private sector only $5500.00base. Means I am worse than them. (in terms of rank and pay scale)

In a ministry, these ranks are on top of SAD:
1)DD
2)SDD
3)D
4)SD
5)DG
6)AS
7)DS
8)PS
9)SPS

Not all ministries will have all ranks, but it goes to show that calling SAD mid level is already being generous. SAD is a guaranteed rank for long serving staff with a recognized degree. How senior can it be?

Perhaps you are confusing job title with rank? I know a lot of big MNCs you need to be 13-15k to be considered entry managerial level.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

In a ministry, these ranks are on top of SAD:
1)DD
2)SDD
3)D
4)SD
5)DG
6)AS
7)DS
8)PS
9)SPS

Not all ministries will have all ranks, but it goes to show that calling SAD mid level is already being generous. SAD is a guaranteed rank for long serving staff with a recognized degree. How senior can it be?

Perhaps you are confusing job title with rank? I know a lot of big MNCs you need to be 13-15k to be considered entry managerial level.

Not entirely true. My good buddy works in a MNC, Manager (head) of a section. (with 10 reporting staffs) Base Salary only $8.5k. (these days, dun expect good bonuses. all incentives cut to the core) These days, private sector budget not that high. Alot going thru reshuffling and retrenchment exercises.

I know he tried applying for Public service jobs to test water. Posted $8k asking also didnt event get a hint of interview at all for AD/SAD positions.