Civil Service Performance grading-Any lecturer got 'D'

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You mean do more work THAN them. Honestly, you're english is incomprehensible. So? What's the argument here? Still, you as a TSO, is still one level lower than a lecturer. Hence, if you were to get the same salary as a lecturer, you will have to do more work in order to make up for the shortfall in your qualifications. Once again, same as the encik vs officer theory. For the encik to earn as much as the officer, he must take up more roles or have more experience in order to make up the shortfall in his qualifications.

sorry i'm working as a clerk. Lecturer are good in academic but poor in technical skill

Is it a crime if my English is incompetent...hopefully you are not a lecturer else it is a disgrace....wolf in a sheep skin.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

sorry i'm working as a clerk. Lecturer are good in academic but poor in technical skill

Is it a crime if my English is incompetent...hopefully you are not a lecturer else it is a disgrace....wolf in a sheep skin.

What a presumptuous statement. Just because a person is good in academics doesn't mean he is bad at technical skills. He can be good in both. That aside, the polytechnics are looking for LECTURERS. Lecturers need to lecture. So does it matter if his technical skills are bad? No, as long as the poly is satisfied with his academic teaching standards, there is no need for his technical skills to be up to par. You, obviously, do not have that academic standard. Im not one to judge but just based on how you write, we can assume you at least did not make it to local uni. Thus, should you be paid the same as a lecturer who probably even has a masters degree? Nay.

And no, I am not a lecturer.

[Smart888]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You mean do more work THAN them. Honestly, you're english is incomprehensible. So? What's the argument here? Still, you as a TSO, is still one level lower than a lecturer. Hence, if you were to get the same salary as a lecturer, you will have to do more work in order to make up for the shortfall in your qualifications. Once again, same as the encik vs officer theory. For the encik to earn as much as the officer, he must take up more roles or have more experience in order to make up the shortfall in his qualifications.

Question number 1 :

Is 'D' grade mean for TSO only ? Because so far never heard of Lecturer got 'D'.
U think its fair to TSO ?

Question number 2 :

TSO 3/4 salarys are at least 1K lower than PAX 5/6, why cluster them together for grading for such a different in wages.

Originally Posted by Smart888

Question number 1 :

Is 'D' grade mean for TSO only ? Because so far never heard of Lecturer got 'D'.
U think its fair to TSO ?

Question number 2 :

TSO 3/4 salarys are at least 1K lower than PAX 5/6, why cluster them together for grading for such a different in wages.

Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I never see mount everest before but does it still exist? Of course it does. Is it fair for a person to be given a bad grade if his/her performance is not up to par? Yes, it is fair.

[Smart888]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I never see mount everest before but does it still exist? Of course it does. Is it fair for a person to be given a bad grade if his/her performance is not up to par? Yes, it is fair.

If u think its fair, i would say u are a lousy if HR run by u.

For the bell curve, someone need to fall at grade 'D', and u think its fair that all 'D' given to others, none to Lecturer. Is'nt it bias?

U as a HR compare 2 employees under the same Category with such a big difference in salary.U think its fair to place u and your director in the same group.

All this bitching over what is "fair" is childish. Not happy with your grade, go get another job or start playing some office politics to get your A/B.

[Smart888]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

All this bitching over what is "fair" is childish. Not happy with your grade, go get another job or start playing some office politics to get your A/B.

Why are u here in this forum at the first place if u find it bitching!

Originally Posted by Smart888

Why are u here in this forum at the first place if u find it bitching!

I visited this thread because the title seems to imply there might be some sharing on how to game the appraisal system to move up from D. I was also interested to hear stories how some people can end up with D and get lessons to avoid pitfalls myself.

Instead the whole thread pretty much degenerated into a childish tantrum bitching about how it is unfair, hr sux, lecturer should get D or not, etc.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I visited this thread because the title seems to imply there might be some sharing on how to game the appraisal system to move up from D. I was also interested to hear stories how some people can end up with D and get lessons to avoid pitfalls myself.

Instead the whole thread pretty much degenerated into a childish tantrum bitching about how it is unfair, hr sux, lecturer should get D or not, etc.

some of the lecturer like you are chia liow bee....a lot of industrial expert dislike to work with polytechnic lecturer because they are not technically inclined. 80% of them

Originally Posted by Unregistered

some of the lecturer like you are chia liow bee....a lot of industrial expert dislike to work with polytechnic lecturer because they are not technically inclined. 80% of them

Why would industrial experts work with poly lecturers in the first place? Yeah, maybe poly lecturers got no technical skills. But so what? They there to lecture, not to be a nurse or engineer or what. But to teach.