GovTech

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Then this begs the question. Why does GT need so many people?

GT simply needs a handful of project managers. That's all.

Singapore govt should do what the Australian govt does and outsource the majority of technical expertise to the big consulting firms like PwC, Deloitte, Accenture etc. My relative works in an Australian tech consultancy and 75% of real work government work is done by outside vendors and contractors.

Singapore govt can even benefit from cost savings, because the market rates for vendors in this region (South East Asia) is much lower than in Western countries where labour cost is high.

Perhaps the only thing that can't be outsourced are systems and apps concerning national security-related areas.

I hope that you are just an outsider, and not an exindeed in govtech currently. If not, the onboarding process has clearly failed.

Govtech handles all the IT stuff across all the public sector, and not just being a software house. What they do could be easily found from govtech org chart and their org sturcture in the website.

There are 150000 public servants in 50 stat boards and 16 ministries. Govtech has 3000 employees. A quick google shows an indeed page claiming that the optimal it support to employee size is at 1:27, which is 2x larger than what we have currently(1:50). Of course this calculation simplifies a lot of things, since we dont include outsourced manpower, but this should give a clue why certain teams only needed 200 ppl to run, while some divisions take up most of govtechs manpower.

These may not seem attractive compared to the WOG apps that can get awards and publicize, but its both legacy stuff that has to be taken up, and also the main items that covers the budgets through cost recovery.(govtech doesnt provide it support for free)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Then this begs the question. Why does GT need so many people?

GT simply needs a handful of project managers. That's all.

Singapore govt should do what the Australian govt does and outsource the majority of technical expertise to the big consulting firms like PwC, Deloitte, Accenture etc. My relative works in an Australian tech consultancy and 75% of real work government work is done by outside vendors and contractors.

Singapore govt can even benefit from cost savings, because the market rates for vendors in this region (South East Asia) is much lower than in Western countries where labour cost is high.

Perhaps the only thing that can't be outsourced are systems and apps concerning national security-related areas.

I hope that you are just an outsider, and not an exindeed in govtech currently. If not, the onboarding process has clearly failed.

Govtech handles all the IT stuff across all the public sector, and not just being a software house. What they do could be easily found from govtech org chart and their org sturcture in the website.

There are 150000 public servants in 50 stat boards and 16 ministries. Govtech has 3000 employees. A quick google shows an indeed page claiming that the optimal it support to employee size is at 1:27, which is 2x larger than what we have currently(1:50). Of course this calculation simplifies a lot of things, since we dont include outsourced manpower, but this should give a clue why certain teams only needed 200 ppl to run, while some divisions take up most of govtechs manpower.

These may not seem attractive compared to the WOG apps that can get awards and publicize, but its both legacy stuff that has to be taken up, and also the main items that covers the budgets through cost recovery.(govtech doesnt provide it support for free)

I hope that you are just an outsider, and not an exindeed in govtech currently. If not, the onboarding process has clearly failed.

Govtech handles all the IT stuff across all the public sector, and not just being a software house. What they do could be easily found from govtech org chart and their org sturcture in the website.

There are 150000 public servants in 50 stat boards and 16 ministries. Govtech has 3000 employees. A quick google shows an indeed page claiming that the optimal it support to employee size is at 1:27, which is 2x larger than what we have currently(1:50). Of course this calculation simplifies a lot of things, since we dont include outsourced manpower, but this should give a clue why certain teams only needed 200 ppl to run, while some divisions take up most of govtechs manpower.

These may not seem attractive compared to the WOG apps that can get awards and publicize, but its both legacy stuff that has to be taken up, and also the main items that covers the budgets through cost recovery.(govtech doesnt provide it support for free)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This kind of acquihire thing is common in the private sector and can often make sense. It's much more valuable to acquire people as a team rather than have to build up the team person by person over time.

You think when Google, Meta, etc acquires a company they will bother to make the staff leetcode and go through interview processes? These are nothing more than bureaucratic formalities.

Many public servants complain about their org's bureaucratic culture, but when somebody tries to do the right thing like in this instance, also complain....

Apparently this guy failed his code of conduct test

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Then this begs the question. Why does GT need so many people?

GT simply needs a handful of project managers. That's all.

Singapore govt should do what the Australian govt does and outsource the majority of technical expertise to the big consulting firms like PwC, Deloitte, Accenture etc. My relative works in an Australian tech consultancy and 75% of real work government work is done by outside vendors and contractors.

Singapore govt can even benefit from cost savings, because the market rates for vendors in this region (South East Asia) is much lower than in Western countries where labour cost is high.

Perhaps the only thing that can't be outsourced are systems and apps concerning national security-related areas.

This is literally what GovTech is doing. Out of the 4k employees, only roughly 1/4 are inhouse engineers building from scratch or customizing existing SAAS for projects that deal with more sensitive citizen data (MyCareersFuture, Citizen Distribution System etc) or critical tech like (Singpass, Open Attestation, GCC2.0, APEX etc). Some of these products are also supporting many other government projects. Normal citizens won't have heard of some of these products because they are backend systems for other government projects to use or products meant for organizations like schools, shipping companies etc.

The remaining projects which are mainly projects from ministries and their subsidiaries are outsourced to 3rd party vendors like Accenture and NCS, and managed by GovTech project managers, digital business analysts, and solution architects. As mentioned by post #4230, there are simply too many digital projects in the whole-of-government despite the effort to streamline and cut down redundant systems.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Then this begs the question. Why does GT need so many people?

GT simply needs a handful of project managers. That's all.

Singapore govt should do what the Australian govt does and outsource the majority of technical expertise to the big consulting firms like PwC, Deloitte, Accenture etc. My relative works in an Australian tech consultancy and 75% of real work government work is done by outside vendors and contractors.

Singapore govt can even benefit from cost savings, because the market rates for vendors in this region (South East Asia) is much lower than in Western countries where labour cost is high.

Perhaps the only thing that can't be outsourced are systems and apps concerning national security-related areas.

cost savings by outsourcing to MNC so that they can hire cheaper labor from India and do the job?

are u singaporean or traitor? if sg govt do that, singapore will lose core expertise and many jobs will be lost

not everything is about money and cents

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Accenture were the ones that developed Singpass, not to mention helping cpf and iras build their systems as well. GT only manages the system and when the time is up, pay vendors to do a tech refresh of the system and claim all contribution to themselves lol.

accenture? are u sure? Wasn't it originally by a company that starts with c and ends with c?

GT manage system? are u sure? Each agency has their own ppl to handle projects by vendors

GT not so free

i have a panel interview coming up for digital business analyst role. was informed there will be a business case study to look at 1hr before the interview. what to expect from this? do i need to prepare deck or anything?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

i have a panel interview coming up for digital business analyst role. was informed there will be a business case study to look at 1hr before the interview. what to expect from this? do i need to prepare deck or anything?

Just say you previously from Indeed. Confirm hire without question.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This is literally what GovTech is doing. Out of the 4k employees, only roughly 1/4 are inhouse engineers building from scratch or customizing existing SAAS for projects that deal with more sensitive citizen data (MyCareersFuture, Citizen Distribution System etc) or critical tech like (Singpass, Open Attestation, GCC2.0, APEX etc). Some of these products are also supporting many other government projects. Normal citizens won't have heard of some of these products because they are backend systems for other government projects to use or products meant for organizations like schools, shipping companies etc.

The remaining projects which are mainly projects from ministries and their subsidiaries are outsourced to 3rd party vendors like Accenture and NCS, and managed by GovTech project managers, digital business analysts, and solution architects. As mentioned by post #4230, there are simply etoo many digital projects in the whole-of-government despite the effort to streamline and cut down redundant systems.

Singpass a critical app yes. apex seriously?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Just say you previously from Indeed. Confirm hire without question.

hahahahahh, nice one