ST Electronics

Originally Posted by Unregistered

That's why you should promote engineers.
But they promote engineers to be managers then become useless.

Either this or they promote engineers to take on even more engineer work, until engineers are fedup and left. Always happen in engineering and technical teams.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Some people only promoted once.
ST alot of dead weight managers stuck at M1 do nothing one.
You'll be shocked.

Got some carry ball experts managed to promote 2 times in 3 years

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Got some carry ball experts managed to promote 2 times in 3 years

Got some no experience no relevabr expertise come in straight away M4 cause recommended by someone in senior management...

The politics is very strong here.

People with no proven record elevated to high paid position with no result to show for.
Retirement Village this one.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

11 months do nothing.
1 month before appraisal act busy. Come early leave late
I see the performance so many times.
Then promoted already etc. Back to lazy retirement life.

This company is a joke.
Their motto at work "how to not do work for one more day..."

There are many "managers" who backstab to climb, especially those in non-technical roles. Sabotage the whole team by making own decision to accept customer demands. Get credit for new contract. Unable to meet requirements point finger at the engineers. Get credit for appeasing customers. Senior management see them "doing work" so promote them.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Got some no experience no relevabr expertise come in straight away M4 cause recommended by someone in senior management...

The politics is very strong here.

People with no proven record elevated to high paid position with no result to show for.
Retirement Village this one.

This I agree. I had one manager who came in as M3 because he was recommended by one M4.

Very jialat one.
Cause the team size so small.
No budget.
Then people here really long marathon.

So got one team can have
1 senior manager
2 assistant manager
1 project engineer

That kind of hierarchy...
End up the managers also doing work like engineers.
The title is just because they have been here too long 10 years etc. So have to be promoted..
But really it's just 1 manager but become senior cause too long.
And 2 senior engineer too long so promoted to "assistant manager" role.
Then 1 project engineer fresh grad hired to help out.

So in this kind of team structure.
Where got growth. Project engineer end up cheap labor do all the work trickled down.
Managers also doing the engineer work etc.
Project engineer won't be promoted. The only way out is the prokect engineer work 3 years realised no growth. Quit.

Then can hire a new project engineer.
And the cycle repeats. Its very sad but that's how the company is setuo

Benefit a few in the comfortable retirement position.
But those E5 E6 is just hard labor with no growth.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This I agree. I had one manager who came in as M3 because he was recommended by one M4.

M3 M4 those roles no need skills one la.
Those position are just roles that is high paid to play politics.
Talk big in front of customer. Don't offend in internal meeting.
Play politics to not offend the senior management.
Then promoted lo.
I seen it so many times. People with strong engineering background etc. Can't stay long in those position.
I heard rumoir there was a PhD consultant in transport...
Then promoted to VP.

But after some politics restructuring was forced to go.. Something about he can't have role outside of the company. Conflict of interest.
So he was just VP for 2 months..

Alot of mine fields to navigate.
Say too much. Offend people.
Say too little. People think you nothing to contribute.
This is why when the company have too many managers.. It's just politics.
If this company is heavy on engineers and low on managers. And the engineers are the higher paid one.

You'll have all the zai engineers leading. Speak and contribute technically.
Then those non tech nothing to contribute just listen and then front customer..
That's the way its supposed to be...
Managers are supposed to manage customer.

But here managers don't really manage client.
Managers rather just manage their engineer.
But they themselves no idea how to do the work.
So just meeting meeting check progress so they can report up to senior management.
Take credit for update..

It's very stupid I can't believe I have worked in a place where practically almost everyone is a "manager" except if you are admin.

I'm project engineer E5 but I like to think of myself as project manager.
So I brag to my friends that I manage project.

And my M1 manager just manage me

I'm M2 principal engineer. I got pronoted due to good relationship.

I like to tell my friends in just a lowly engineer who dunno anything....
So I don't have to do anything hahahahaha

Originally Posted by Unregistered

M3 M4 those roles no need skills one la.
Those position are just roles that is high paid to play politics.
Talk big in front of customer. Don't offend in internal meeting.
Play politics to not offend the senior management.
Then promoted lo.
I seen it so many times. People with strong engineering background etc. Can't stay long in those position.
I heard rumoir there was a PhD consultant in transport...
Then promoted to VP.

But after some politics restructuring was forced to go.. Something about he can't have role outside of the company. Conflict of interest.
So he was just VP for 2 months..

Alot of mine fields to navigate.
Say too much. Offend people.
Say too little. People think you nothing to contribute.
This is why when the company have too many managers.. It's just politics.
If this company is heavy on engineers and low on managers. And the engineers are the higher paid one.

You'll have all the zai engineers leading. Speak and contribute technically.
Then those non tech nothing to contribute just listen and then front customer..
That's the way its supposed to be...
Managers are supposed to manage customer.

But here managers don't really manage client.
Managers rather just manage their engineer.
But they themselves no idea how to do the work.
So just meeting meeting check progress so they can report up to senior management.
Take credit for update..

It's very stupid I can't believe I have worked in a place where practically almost everyone is a "manager" except if you are admin.

QFT your last paragraph. The longer one stayed, the more "manager" role one will have.

I was amused that one fine day I saw my name as "XXX Manager" in project A, "YYY manager" in project B and "ZZZ manager" in the division due to the customer requirements that every workflow must have a manager in charge.

So, I was a manager who managed the engineer and that engineer was myself.