Civil Service Pay - Director level

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi,

I am a WSH (work safety health) manager in my 40s and in a Pte company currently and am a poly grad. I saw a job offer with NEA for the position of AD in my fields of expetise. I have about 7-8 yrs of experience in the field of WSH


As such I wan to ask what will the salary most likely like and what are the chances of me able to get in without a degree....

ADs are Div1, as a poly grad you are not eligible for Div1 position. My suggestion to you is if you really want to join government, go buy a degree from an accredited university.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

ADs are Div1, as a poly grad you are not eligible for Div1 position. My suggestion to you is if you really want to join government, go buy a degree from an accredited university.

MSO 4 and above are Div 1. However to be frank, I have never seen an AD who is on MSO scheme but technically it is possible.

And the last sentence is kind of condescending yeah...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

MSO 4 and above are Div 1. However to be frank, I have never seen an AD who is on MSO scheme but technically it is possible.

And the last sentence is kind of condescending yeah...

yes, technically it is possible. It's the ceiling of MSO scheme actually.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

MSO 4 and above are Div 1. However to be frank, I have never seen an AD who is on MSO scheme but technically it is possible.

And the last sentence is kind of condescending yeah...

I am aware of the overlap b/w Div1 & Div2, but I am answering specifically to his case here. There is no way a poly grad with only 7 years exp going to be offered AD job. I believe AD equivalent for MSO is Grade 2, I have never heard of a poly guy with 7 years exp being offered at such a high grade , i.e. he is not eligible for all intents and purposes.

In what way is asking him to buy a degree condescending? I am just stating hard facts here. He can claim however good he is, but government policy is clear cut, with only 7 years exp no degree no AD talk. What's the point of sugar coating the whole thing and give him false hope and send him on a wild goose chase?

I ask this again, has anyone heard of any poly grad who is Assistant Director with just 7 years experience?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I am aware of the overlap b/w Div1 & Div2, but I am answering specifically to his case here. There is no way a poly grad with only 7 years exp going to be offered AD job. I believe AD equivalent for MSO is Grade 2, I have never heard of a poly guy with 7 years exp being offered at such a high grade , i.e. he is not eligible for all intents and purposes.

In what way is asking him to buy a degree condescending? I am just stating hard facts here. He can claim however good he is, but government policy is clear cut, with only 7 years exp no degree no AD talk. What's the point of sugar coating the whole thing and give him false hope and send him on a wild goose chase?

I ask this again, has anyone heard of any poly grad who is Assistant Director with just 7 years experience?

AD post can be anything these days to be honest. I know of MSO 4 being heads of departments and MX 12 being ADs. MX 12 roughly translates to MSO 4 according to rough HR policy guidelines. I do not know how NEA judges their criteria internally so I can't comment on that though.

Agree on not sugar coating but you can encourage him to upgrade himself, not ask him to buy one. The phrasing used is not nice yeah. To be frank that degree paper (be it local/distance/wadever) is getting stale, I see tons of people coming in with Double Ds(hehe), Post Grad Dip, Masters and sometimes even all of them (!!).

[cslee]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

..... He can claim however good he is, but government policy is clear cut, with only 7 years exp no degree no AD talk. ....

It's not clear to me that no degree = no AD. Can enlighten me which IM policy is it?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

AD post can be anything these days to be honest. I know of MSO 4 being heads of departments and MX 12 being ADs. MX 12 roughly translates to MSO 4 according to rough HR policy guidelines. I do not know how NEA judges their criteria internally so I can't comment on that though.

Agree on not sugar coating but you can encourage him to upgrade himself, not ask him to buy one. The phrasing used is not nice yeah. To be frank that degree paper (be it local/distance/wadever) is getting stale, I see tons of people coming in with Double Ds(hehe), Post Grad Dip, Masters and sometimes even all of them (!!).

Let's skip the debating about policies. Again I ask, has anyone ever heard of a poly grad with 7 years exp being appointed as Assistant Director? If there ever was one, he/she will be the talk of the town and the whole governement service would have heard of him. Until someone is able to cite evidence otherwise, he is not eligible for an AD job for all intents and purposes.

If he wants to upgrade himself personally he can choose whatever he has interest in at his own leisure, that has nothing to do with his question now. My advice still stands: if he wants to get into Div1 government job, go buy an accredited degree, i.e. get the cheapest recognised generic business degree that requires minimal/no studying involved.

There is no shame in buying degrees, it is just a piece of document like your NRIC to faciliate in performing certain transactions (in this case to get a Div1 government job).

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Let's skip the debating about policies. Again I ask, has anyone ever heard of a poly grad with 7 years exp being appointed as Assistant Director? If there ever was one, he/she will be the talk of the town and the whole governement service would have heard of him. Until someone is able to cite evidence otherwise, he is not eligible for an AD job for all intents and purposes.

If he wants to upgrade himself personally he can choose whatever he has interest in at his own leisure, that has nothing to do with his question now. My advice still stands: if he wants to get into Div1 government job, go buy an accredited degree, i.e. get the cheapest recognised generic business degree that requires minimal/no studying involved.

There is no shame in buying degrees, it is just a piece of document like your NRIC to faciliate in performing certain transactions (in this case to get a Div1 government job).

Well, I did mention in my previous posts (hard to tell since we are all unregistered lol) that its only technically possible but personally I had never seen/heard of one.

On the 'buy' terminology, lets just agree to disagree yeah. I mean its not like you can put it in your CV that you bought your degree ^_^

Pls stop being an idiot.

Originally Posted by cslee

It's not clear to me that no degree = no AD. Can enlighten me which IM policy is it?

[cslee]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Pls stop being an idiot.

I doubt you are even a civil servant, not sure who's the fake one and act like a fool here