Civil Service Pay - Director level

CSLee, stop behaving like someone with a private degree. If your English is good enough, read IM2-Staff on appointment and promotion criteria.

Originally Posted by cslee

I doubt you are even a civil servant, not sure who's the fake one and act like a fool here

[cslee]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

CSLee, stop behaving like someone with a private degree. If your English is good enough, read IM2-Staff on appointment and promotion criteria.

You're a disgrace to Civil Service if you're really one. Stop behaving like a spoilt 4 yrs old

Guys, lets not turn derail the topic yeah.

IM is more of a guideline and many Mins actually have their own internal policy variations so we can never be sure across the different Mins.

If we use pte degree as an example, IM is kind of ambiguous on what is recognized so certain Mins have their own internal list of approved institutions. There is also a particular Min responsible for our education *wink* that totally does not recognize any pte degree whatsoever. So IM can be interpreted differently by different Mins.

However, HR will always choose the safer option so as not to 'rock the boat'. So it really depends on whether, for lack of better words, 'heng or sway'.

Do show more respect to CS Lee. He is a senior in this forum. It's bad enough having a private degree and now he got to face the barrage of sarcasm. I am pretty sure he is already feeling lousy so let's not add salt to the wound.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

CSLee, stop behaving like someone with a private degree. If your English is good enough, read IM2-Staff on appointment and promotion criteria.

The problem with getting hung up over some written policy is that a gov policy will always try to be vague and leave all options open. But in real life any civil servant around for some time will know what is the "real" policy as opposed to the written one.

For e.g., there is no written policy to say that only an AO scholar can be a perm sec, but everyone with half a brain knows if all you have is a first class honors from NTU/NUS, you will never make it past Senior Director/ CE of a small board even if you are the best ever performing staff they ever had. In SAF, unwritten policy means no scholar no star.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

In SAF, unwritten policy means no scholar no star.

There are always exceptions but the truth is chances are as slim as winning Toto.
BG Lam Shui Tong, current 2PDF Commander is a non scholar and I believe is also the first/few red beret BG in SAF history.

The previous post is right. Need to be a scholar to progress far. There may be exceptions but there are only a handful of them.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

There are always exceptions but the truth is chances are as slim as winning Toto.
BG Lam Shui Tong, current 2PDF Commander is a non scholar and I believe is also the first/few red beret BG in SAF history.

There are a few things that the organisation would do to mitigate the "non-scholar" status for someone who is deemed as having high calibre and promising. He/She could be enrolled in the high potential program/Mgt associate program or awarded a post graduate scholarship in management degree.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

There are always exceptions but the truth is chances are as slim as winning Toto.
BG Lam Shui Tong, current 2PDF Commander is a non scholar and I believe is also the first/few red beret BG in SAF history.

How is the progression for a second lower degree from local university? Is it possible to smell anywhere near DD/D?

Once you get in the CS, you will have a chance to move up. It may surprise you that there are several 2nd lower grads who are now bosses (superscale) of their 2nd upper and 1st class classmates/cohort in the CS as well as SB.

Your academic qualifications are but 1 aspect of your capabilities. How you approach challenges, your ability to see the big picture, your communication, leadership and management skills are all equally if not more important. You also need to have the energy level. Some of these people work 12 hr or more each day and are still on the go the next day.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

How is the progression for a second lower degree from local university? Is it possible to smell anywhere near DD/D?