SMU economics or NTU Business

Originally Posted by Unregistered

From your decision making process, you will not be able to make it in SMU. You dun even know about business specializations such as Finance, Marketing, HR, Operations, etc... All the information is widely available and you still listen to stupid advice like general vs specialized when you can already pick and choose how broad or specialized you want to be.

The obvious solution is to take Econs and a second major in a business specialization.

But given the simplicity of your questions and though process, i recommend you to take NTU biz. Just finish 3 yrs and quickly get a job.

What a arse hole! People ask nicely u come here give bull like this, better not talk at all la. SMU is no better than the other biz schools in SG, so take your false sense of superiority and shove it. what's sad is that your false sense of superiority is cultivated by SMU's sleek marketing, so that really makes you a tool.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

That is not true.

I have known several RI and Hwa chong graduates trying to enter SMU BBM course and rejected by SMU business.

SMU Busines is better than NTU business. SMU is the first, national Business university of Singapore, everything is Business oriented and focused. The Internships, International exchange and student culture/experience far outmatches that of NTU (Palau Ulu)

smu is essentially a 4 year career seminar. the sole purpose of smu is to prepare the students for their future career. not that it is bad thing.. im sure many ppl get a degree jus to find a better job, n smu does a marvelous job in preparing the students... but if u r into the more technical aspect of the field whether it is in finance, econs or watever, den smu is not the right place... which is y some some ppl call smu grad balloons. pretty on the outside and filled with nothing but air.


anyway, having a specialization within the major does not make it a specialized degree.

Originally Posted by vervex12

Hi all, i am currently choosing to study between these 2 degrees. I have previously rejected SMU Business to apply for SMU economics as I have heard that Business is a general degree and it isn't worth to study Business. I have been accepted to both the courses. The reason why I am still deciding is that I am reading all the HR jobs and the positions that people are working in now as well as their pay and hence I'm pondering wether it was a bad decision to turn down Business in the first place. Anyone Economics degree holder out there and willing to tell me what job are you working as now?

Think i'm really late for this since you probably started school already. Regardless of where you are, I personally think that both NTU BIZ and SMU BIZ/SMU ECONS all have very competitive students. The only thing that sets these two schools apart is that SMU students go all out to make connections, go to every event or seminar they can set their hands on, their school administrators are super proactive, so you are practically placed out there for people to bargain for you.

I have friends from both NTU BIZ and SMU BIZ, ntu peeps didnt change much still their same old self. People who go to SMU wants to be changed and go for internships even during their school term. Many employers i have heard now are inclined to employ SMU graduates since they try so hard to sell themselves, a sign of motivation. SMU students probably have more lobang also.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What a arse hole! People ask nicely u come here give bull like this

That guy was a troll. Pretty obvious.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

better not talk at all la. SMU is no better than the other biz schools in SG, so take your false sense of superiority and shove it.

I'm pretty sure its the other way around and that the other biz schools are no better than SMU.. Read:

://.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/case-you-missed-it/story/adding-diversity-the-university-scene-20140126

SMU got established players like NUS and NTU to re-think what they themselves were doing, and they themselves were trying to emulate SMU's culture (Disclaimer-->)after SMU was officially declared the third national university and had the power to award degrees by itself despite the initial plan of SMU being a part of NTU.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

what's sad is that your false sense of superiority is cultivated by SMU's sleek marketing

you know what the sad part is? Schools like NBS; a business school does not even exude or portray a business culutre. They don't even have a clear direction of where they want to be until 1-2 years ago.

://ntuvssmu.blogspot.sg/

Marketing has always been affiliated with one of the core of business and it really goes to show the effort put in by both of each school's on how they establish themselves. Take for example:

NTU establish itself as "Nanyang Business school".

It Focuses on rankings and has emphasis on terms such as "Top Business school in asia" and "Global Business leader"

It may seem like NBS is a training ground for elites, but you have to ask yourself: Will NBS produce graduates that are ready to tackle problems and challenges of a ever-changing society and culture?

How "global" is their "global"? Do they offer multitudes of overseas exchange and internships like SMU LKCSB?

Are they trained in Business skills to tackle only Business specific problems?


Now lets take a look at SMU's School of Business

SMU establishes "Lee Kong Chian School of business". What is the definition of "School of Business"? A school that Listens carefully to what society needs and what organizations needs and come up with solutions (based on research) . Even if these solutions are not in the traditional diciplines of business.

That is why SMU students are trained to be more vocal and pro-active and bring more than just mere theoretical knowledge to the workforce, but rather how to apply these Business solutions in literally any organizations. Why else do you think Cum Laude students and above with double degree/major receive much more higher pay than their NTU/NUS counterparts? -->Because they have multidisciplinary opportunities to complement their Business expertise with that of others into other sectors.


For more information watch:

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Sure, NTU is deemed as "The best business school in asia". Well, why do SMU grads get paid higher than?
://.salary.sg/2014/graduate-employment-survey-2013-published-2014/

SMU is not on world-wide rankings because it is not considered a full fledged university offering courses like Humanities etc, and it does not take into consideration just grades.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

so that really makes you a tool.

SMU students are the tools needed to become movers and shakers of the business world

Originally Posted by Unregistered

smu is essentially a 4 year career seminar.

Career seminars are workshops on helping you prepare to enter the workforce. They include tips on how to find and apply for jobs, prepare for interviews and assessment centres and learn about your work rights.

It is however, correct to assume it is a seminar-style of teaching:

://.thefreedictionary.com/seminar

This "4 year career seminar" you speak of is actually an MBA style of teaching adopted from the best undergaduate Business School in the world. The Wharton Business School.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

the sole purpose of smu is to prepare the students for their future career. not that it is bad thing..

I think the purpose of SMU is to prepare students for what they wish to pursue in life, if thats what you are saying.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

but if u r into the more technical aspect of the field whether it is in finance, econs or watever, den smu is not the right place... which is y some some ppl call smu grad balloons. pretty on the outside and filled with nothing but air.

Wrong again.

SMU Economic graduates, and Finance graduates get paid the most, as mentioned by the other poster: ://.salary.sg/2014/graduate-employment-survey-2013-published-2014/

Even SMU Economic degree holders with Cum laude and above gets paid higher $ than NBS graduates with a double degree with Accountancy and Business

SMU grads are anything but balloons. You have an opportunity to go for international exchange programs, internships, and for some courses; compulsory study mission to put what you learn into the real working world overseas and beyond.

They have to go for compulsory internships and compulsory community service activities (which most students choose to volunteer at an organization that they can apply their technical and soft skills at)

NTU and NUS hardly offers most of the above, and SMU students generally gain more exposure.

Either the SMU graduate you have worked with is either lazy or shows no interest in his job.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

anyway, having a specialization within the major does not make it a specialized degree.

The major itself is a specialization for SMU. Not sure about others though.

I was a top student from NUS Econs Honours. Became a highly successful professional. Earned big bucks. Retired at 45, earning passive income from my investment portfolio. Now enjoying my free time to socialise and do charity work. Healthier and happier.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I was a top student from NUS Econs Honours. Became a highly successful professional. Earned big bucks. Retired at 45, earning passive income from my investment portfolio. Now enjoying my free time to socialise and do charity work. Healthier and happier.

And your point is?

45 years ago there was only NUS as the only prestigious university.

They probably chose you when you graduated because I'm sure they didnt have a choice w top studrnts from other uni that had not existed :/

they just have to settle for some nerd who came from the first university of sg back at that time who probably didn't even know what he was doing.

45 so fast retire? I hope you don't get cardiac heart disease,contract diabities or become obese man. But you know what they say... sg cost of living an inflation so damn high onr day who knows... mayb u have to come work as a street cleaner at 80 after spending all your$ on lipo suction to get rid of all the fats from "enjoying life at 45".

Or if street cleaner don't accept you, u may consider being a pimp. I heard old chicks are into chubby furballs

As someone whose department turnover is high and have seen and work with grads from ntu and smu, I have to say I tend to recommend ntu grads to my boss. Reason? Ntu seems to produce grads who are better technically in their knowledge and knows how, while smu grads tend to require more mentoring and guidance.

At the workplace, how the Unis teach or what special programs the Unis have to offer their students is not really our concern. We look more into the attributes and quality at the workplace.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Career seminars are workshops on helping you prepare to enter the workforce. They include tips on how to find and apply for jobs, prepare for interviews and assessment centres and learn about your work rights.

It is however, correct to assume it is a seminar-style of teaching:

://.thefreedictionary.com/seminar

This "4 year career seminar" you speak of is actually an MBA style of teaching adopted from the best undergaduate Business School in the world. The Wharton Business School.




I think the purpose of SMU is to prepare students for what they wish to pursue in life, if thats what you are saying.





Wrong again.

SMU Economic graduates, and Finance graduates get paid the most, as mentioned by the other poster: ://.salary.sg/2014/graduate-employment-survey-2013-published-2014/

Even SMU Economic degree holders with Cum laude and above gets paid higher $ than NBS graduates with a double degree with Accountancy and Business

SMU grads are anything but balloons. You have an opportunity to go for international exchange programs, internships, and for some courses; compulsory study mission to put what you learn into the real working world overseas and beyond.

They have to go for compulsory internships and compulsory community service activities (which most students choose to volunteer at an organization that they can apply their technical and soft skills at)

NTU and NUS hardly offers most of the above, and SMU students generally gain more exposure.

Either the SMU graduate you have worked with is either lazy or shows no interest in his job.



The major itself is a specialization for SMU. Not sure about others though.

which of the points u mentioned support ur claim that smu grads are not balloons? most of those experiences only add on to the decorative layer. I know of some organizations/companies that do not hire smu grads for roles that requires technical knowledge (even tho the relevant major is offered by smu). This speaks volume on the technical know how of smu grads. No doubt, it is hard to argue against the fact that smu grad command higher pay but that does not make them less of a balloon. It just meant that there are roles which just need ppl who can talk and present and less so on the technicality. After all, in most part of the corporate world, it is just about pretending to be smarter than u really are.

n i dont think you understand the difference between specialization and a specialized degree.

Originally Posted by Fckk ur NUS Econs

And your point is?

45 years ago there was only NUS as the only prestigious university.

They probably chose you when you graduated because I'm sure they didnt have a choice w top studrnts from other uni that had not existed :/

they just have to settle for some nerd who came from the first university of sg back at that time who probably didn't even know what he was doing.

45 so fast retire? I hope you don't get cardiac heart disease,contract diabities or become obese man. But you know what they say... sg cost of living an inflation so damn high onr day who knows... mayb u have to come work as a street cleaner at 80 after spending all your$ on lipo suction to get rid of all the fats from "enjoying life at 45".

Or if street cleaner don't accept you, u may consider being a pimp. I heard old chicks are into chubby furballs

And your point is? This guy has a happy career, rather successful in life and can enjoy the fruits of his labour. So what if he was a nerd back in the first university, at a time when not many people even went to university? Meanwhile, you're just a struggling bitter young 'un who is mediocre and can't even spell properly wasting your life ranting online.