HR-related Jobs - How much are you earning?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The job from ur friend’s co sound like HR process co-ordinator. How many people under you? Usually you should have 1 assistant for every 50 people in the co., otherwise can tell you is super siong.
It is safer to join established BPO company like Boardroom/GMP/Manpower etc if you want to learn transactional processes than take the risk in a startup IMO. Benefits & bonus are also much better & more important is a better brand name for future careers.

I work in mnc & sme hr. To me the really put off part about SME is not they have no brand name but the fact they have no money to invest in IT programs and no budget to outsource low level admin work. Everything is like super manual & stuck in 1990.

Payroll using excel, leave, ot, timesheets all on paper or punch clock, no budget for ad or agencies, endless trip to MOM, ICA, IRAS, CPF over documentation, calculation, looking for paperwork. End up just working long hours on low productive paper work because everything is done manual.

[haiz1234]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I work in mnc & sme hr. To me the really put off part about SME is not they have no brand name but the fact they have no money to invest in IT programs and no budget to outsource low level admin work. Everything is like super manual & stuck in 1990.

Payroll using excel, leave, ot, timesheets all on paper or punch clock, no budget for ad or agencies, endless trip to MOM, ICA, IRAS, CPF over documentation, calculation, looking for paperwork. End up just working long hours on low productive paper work because everything is done manual.

Totally agreeeeeeee

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I work in mnc & sme hr. To me the really put off part about SME is not they have no brand name but the fact they have no money to invest in IT programs and no budget to outsource low level admin work. Everything is like super manual & stuck in 1990.

Payroll using excel, leave, ot, timesheets all on paper or punch clock, no budget for ad or agencies, endless trip to MOM, ICA, IRAS, CPF over documentation, calculation, looking for paperwork. End up just working long hours on low productive paper work because everything is done manual.

This kind of sme problem is not restricted to only hr department, others like finance, marketing, sales, logistics all suffer the same fate as well.

I work in a jap regional logistics department & sometimes interview people from sme. Most of the time is a waste of time because although they are call themself manager, director, specialist, they dont know how to use SAP or other common platform like Descartes because these sme all cannot afford enterprise solutions. Most who are from sme seem to use excel to do everything under the sun and sometimes combine with some never heard before local software.

At first I try to tell myself not to be bias against people from sme background, but now I really don't bother, just wasting both parties' time only. The knowledge gap is too big between big companies and local sme experience.

CPIB Investigation Officer

Pay - 4.3k
Job Security - High
Bonus - 3 to 4 mths
Benefits - Good for you & family
Work Life Balance - Decent to very good
Annual Leave - 18 to 24 days yearly
Promotion - Standard as long as no cock up
Development Opportunity - Good to very good

Friend Company HR Manager

Pay - 4.2k
Job Security - Low
Bonus - Uncertain
Benefits - Poor
Work Life Balance - Poor
Annual Leave - Maybe 14 days? Likely no chance to take
Promotion - No prospect
Development Opportunity - None


Where is the dilemma???

Originally Posted by haiz1234

Ok i need serious advice here.. some will think negatively for both offers, but listen me out...

I am currently in an engineering firm doing project management and sales. All in all I have 2.5 years of project management in civil engineering industry which also includes sales experience. Both in govt and in pte firm.

I am thinking of switching to HR field...or either that to an exciting investigation job with CPIB which was being offered to me last year..."about 4,3k for CPIB"

for the HR field, it is a friend business dealing with logistics, courier services.
He is the boss and his business is into the 2nd year which has big clients of KPMG, AWS and is doing well, currently expanding. But this company is new and my friend feel I can make the cut as HR manager even without experiences...he jus wanted someone who he can trust in his business..(but many advice friends should nv be colleagues)"I am not investing anything"

down side is courier service is competitive, he himself is a malay, and the company is malay dominated (not racist) but because delivery job mainly are malays taking the offer. This new setup need HR and new a HR setup and being in corporate and MNC, i understand simple HR matters, not strategically but generalist job is simple to understand. From payroll, leaves, simple employment act, outsource insurance etc. I have also understood simple taxes as I worked in IRAS before. I have also studied basic HR in university locally... just 1 module.

He is willing to offer about 4.2k to hire me...(but this does not justify market trend as I hv no experience), and market will will recognise my credentials as a HR manager based on my resume, he hire me probably because I have good portfolio in the army days, I am trustworthy and align with his goals and my working exp as project engineer. (Logical, sensitive and people oriented)

My this friend has HR exp at hotel line, and failed a business before. well spoken and do all financial himself. He started the company with ACRA and external aduit firm will aduit his company. So he also needs IT dept, financial dept to start. Of course, its up to me and him to recruit more delivery men for the job as this means more jobs and more sales. For me to recruit more executives, commercial and sales personnel for the company is also my job and his...

Environment to me is important, and doing HR is also an interest to me, helping my fren expand his business is risky but to integrate a racial dominated by Malay is not easy for me as I dun really like such a culture dominated by a certain race...(its not racist but more of own preferences).

Yes HR is not just above as mentioned. But there are many companies startup with new beginning and need new setup for every dept... problem is whether should I go for it? The road is not easy...izzit risky jus to try enter his company and work and try out?

Yes indeed we cant compete with company like DHL, Fedex and other logistics coy...but this is the challenge

My friend excel well in the army days as regulars and has wide network with major COL and high ranks officer where they recommend many clients to him.

Othe wise... I wanna quit my engineering job to enter CPIB IO as investigation is always a thing for me... the working hrs are long I noe..but I believe passion will overcome most of the downsides...of course I hope it will not be like this when I have a family and kids...

the pay is considerably stable but I heard there are dangerous moments for this job...

I am in a hesitation mode...how...?

[haiz1234]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

CPIB Investigation Officer

Pay - 4.3k
Job Security - High
Bonus - 3 to 4 mths
Benefits - Good for you & family
Work Life Balance - Decent to very good
Annual Leave - 18 to 24 days yearly
Promotion - Standard as long as no cock up
Development Opportunity - Good to very good

Friend Company HR Manager

Pay - 4.2k
Job Security - Low
Bonus - Uncertain
Benefits - Poor
Work Life Balance - Poor
Annual Leave - Maybe 14 days? Likely no chance to take
Promotion - No prospect
Development Opportunity - None


Where is the dilemma???

Beg to differ on work life balance... investigation IO... not so work life balance... must track and spy ppl, on standby...dangerous during mission, questioning can be till very late

got bond of 2.5 years...
if after 5 years want to leave for example... where can i head to? any thing above I mentioned are only my basic worries if i wanna start a family

Originally Posted by haiz1234

Beg to differ on work life balance... investigation IO... not so work life balance... must track and spy ppl, on standby...dangerous during mission, questioning can be till very late

got bond of 2.5 years...
if after 5 years want to leave for example... where can i head to? any thing above I mentioned are only my basic worries if i wanna start a family

Although IO work life balance not so good, but working for the small startup will not be better. Also unlikely you will do field work at CPIB forever, a lot of job rotation within home team.

Besides realistically even if you join the startup doing basic administrative work dealing with blue collar malay workers, after few years want to leave I don't see how your prospect will be any better also. Joining a friend sme startup not ideal for starting family also......

[haiz1234]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Although IO work life balance not so good, but working for the small startup will not be better. Also unlikely you will do field work at CPIB forever, a lot of job rotation within home team.

Besides realistically even if you join the startup doing basic administrative work dealing with blue collar malay workers, after few years want to leave I don't see how your prospect will be any better also. Joining a friend sme startup not ideal for starting family also......

hmm CPIB is independent body report to PMO, dont think can job rotation with MHA...

well isnt there just a case of success story with SME if you are not the boss? guess not even one positive here..i will relook rethink again bah...

Originally Posted by haiz1234

hmm CPIB is independent body report to PMO, dont think can job rotation with MHA...

well isnt there just a case of success story with SME if you are not the boss? guess not even one positive here..i will relook rethink again bah...

success story if your father is the boss loh

no free lunch in this world, if something is too good to be true then it is.

no company will hire a HR Manager with 0% relevant experience and only work 2 years in some unrelated engineering. do not make sense. more likely they think you are a desperate carrot head and they can throw the sh1t on you once you join.

[haiz1234]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

no free lunch in this world, if something is too good to be true then it is.

no company will hire a HR Manager with 0% relevant experience and only work 2 years in some unrelated engineering. do not make sense. more likely they think you are a desperate carrot head and they can throw the sh1t on you once you join.

Hey I hope u really did read my story carefully... Already said friend to bring me in, someone who can trust and don't mind paying to market rate.. Lets be realistic about his promise first...hiring me is a fact and not a myth...

If everything turn out to be not true, salary wise and scope, I will not be a fool not able to detect in first 2 months right? The problem u mentioned is not the underlying problem .. It's other factors that generate a discussion like exp, value for cause and long term planning...