Career as Teacher

Originally Posted by JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher

The year that you get promoted, you get a C for sure. At most a C+

There is no one getting above C+

Nothing surprising about the newly promoted officers getting Cs. Same for everyone, regardless whether you apply for OPE, or leave, or not.

Chance of default C is higher but not absolute. Mainly cause person promoted unlikely to have enough portfolio to exceed KRAs for the higher subgrade after promotion. But if you do, why not? Personally have B grade after promotion.

18 yrs, female,NIE grad, SEO1 (HOD), 9.8k
15 yrs, male, PGDE, SEO1 (HOD), 9.4k
16 yrs, female, Dip Ed, emplacement to degree during 8th year, GEO 4, 6k
13 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO5A, 8.5k (increment 5 to 5A was only $200)
12 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO5, 7.4k
11 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO5 (SH), 7.6k
9 yrs, female, HOD,*NUS*grad, GEO5, about 7k plus (she said it's below 8k)
8 yrs, male, GEO5, SH, 7.5K
8 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO 4, 6.1k
8 yrs, male, PGDE local FCH, GEO 3, 6.2k
8 yrs, male, GEO3, 5.9k
6 yrs, male, PGDE Overseas degree, GEO5 6.6k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO5 6.7k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO4 6.3k
6 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO4 (SH new), 6k
6 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 6.2k
5 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.1k
5 yrs, female, PGDE, GEO3, 5.1k
4 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.4k
4 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO3, 6.1k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.6k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.3k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.4k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.7k

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Chance of default C is higher but not absolute. Mainly cause person promoted unlikely to have enough portfolio to exceed KRAs for the higher subgrade after promotion. But if you do, why not? Personally have B grade after promotion.

yes, my gf had a B after promotion from geo 3 to 4 too. non-KP.
and this happened pre-covid already.
she's non-scholar. teaching award holder.
neighbourhood school which just merged kind of profile.

[JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Chance of default C is higher but not absolute. Mainly cause person promoted unlikely to have enough portfolio to exceed KRAs for the higher subgrade after promotion. But if you do, why not? Personally have B grade after promotion.

Not just about the portfolio to justify performance at the newly promoted subgrade. It's also about the quantum to give out Bs and above. Will need to write a report to cluster supt if the school really intends to give out B to a newly promoted officer. And usually the justification cannot purely be "The officer exceeds KRAs in his newly promoted subgrade". Because that would mean that the MOE subgrade system validity is questioned (i.e. someone can directly be working at the next subgrade level to such a high level that the growth model and progression is not valid). So the above scenario must be coupled with a few other situations in the school. Either your school strength is low (e.g. about to merge), or that most of the staff in your school are not good enough, as such, there are still enough B's to go around, then this once in a blue moon situation will happen. But it's so rare for such situations to happen.

I know because for my school, after ranking 1st round, we had contemplated to submit a report before for one of the staff who just got promoted. But in the end replaced it with another staff and the newly promoted one still got C+

I will congratulate you for that B, too rare. But nevertheless, I don't want people to see it as a potential possibility because it will not happen for 99.99% of the people here.

[JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

yes, my gf had a B after promotion from geo 3 to 4 too. non-KP.
and this happened pre-covid already.
she's non-scholar. teaching award holder.
neighbourhood school which just merged kind of profile.

Thank you for the example. This is one of the examples I've just mentioned. Merging or Merged schools. Enough quantum.

But it's not going to be applicable for anyone else here.

Just purely exceeding KRA in the year of promotion, will not get you a B, I can say this with 100% certainty.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Chance of default C is higher but not absolute. Mainly cause person promoted unlikely to have enough portfolio to exceed KRAs for the higher subgrade after promotion. But if you do, why not? Personally have B grade after promotion.

You lucky in your school ba. I'm in a SAP sch for 10+ years liao no one get above C+ in the year they are promoted de. And the people there damn competitive and do damn a lot.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher

Agree on the possible troll for

3 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO4, 6.1k

Info will be removed again until OP comes and provides more details on his progression.


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18 yrs, female,NIE grad, SEO1 (HOD), 9.8k
15 yrs, male, PGDE, SEO1 (HOD), 9.4k
13 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO5A, 8.5k (increment 5 to 5A was only $200)
12 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO5, 7.4k
11 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO5 (SH), 7.6k
9 yrs, female, HOD,*NUS*grad, GEO5, about 7k plus (she said it's below 8k)
8 yrs, male, GEO5, SH, 7.5K
8 yrs, male, PGDE local FCH, GEO 3, 6.2k
8 yrs, male, GEO3, 5.9k
6 yrs, male, PGDE Overseas degree, GEO5 6.6k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO5 6.7k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO4 6.3k
6 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO4 (SH new), 6k
6 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 6.2k
5 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.1k
4 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO3, 6.1k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.3k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.4k
3 yrs, male PGDE, GEO3, 5.7k

I am working in secondary school.
Graduated PGDE 2020. GEO2 to 3 in 2021. GEO3 to 4 in 2023. Non-scholar. Holding SH internal position.

Be open about your intention for open posting. I have pre-empt my RO and SLs about my intention to go for open posting way before open posting starts. I went for open posting, got it bt I am delayed for half a year due to manpower shortage in my previous school, i still manage to get a B for my perfomance grade.

As for your second question, yes it’s possible that multiple schools or positions accept you and you can have your pick but make sure you don’t burn any bridges along the way.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sorry, newbie here, first time applying for OPE. I have some sensitive questions to ask about OPE:

1. I have heard that some KPs and SLs mark down an officer during ranking after knowing of the intention to apply out to other places. In my case, I am currently taking on many roles, projects and classes (overloaded, in fact). I have expressed interest for higher appointments but all KP appointments are saturated at my workplace. However, there is also a severe lack of manpower for my subject area. There is this possibility that even if my OPE is successful, it will be delayed by half a year. What are the chances of my performance grade being affected if I choose to apply for OPE?

2. I am planning to apply for more than 1 place for OPE. Are there cases whereby more than 1 place accepts an officer, and he/she will need to decide which accepted position to go for in the end?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Thanks for your honest responses.

Not sure about OPE, but my school gave most newly promoted officers C. I myself received one of the lower quantum of grade C after promoting to GEO4. I'm guessing the school will not let officers applying for OPE off either since they might be considered "less deserving and less appreciative"

we can only hope that ranking panels, esp SLs in all schools are humane enough not to let personal feelings get in the way of fair ranking for officers applying for OPE

that said, human emotions and personality are hard to predict

"got manpower shortage in this subject area liao still want to leave"

"school culture and treatment better than other schools liao still want to leave"

"students and colleagues appreciate you so much, still want to leave"

"since you already thinking of leaving, give you such a good grade for what? might as well give to other loyal people"

"B" grades can be downgraded to "C+" or "C" grades and so on becoz of such thinking. all that crazy workload for nothing in the end

worst case scenario is when the officer fails in the OPE application and still have to come back and face the same ranking panel with those thoughts again next year. super risky

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I have a few starting at GEO3. I wouldn't call them mid careers but they have about 4 years of working experience before joining MOE. They were then promoted to GEO4 after two years. There is also a mid career who started teaching at GEO5, I believe to match/because of her previous salary.

Female mid-career PGDE here. GEO 3, $5.9k.
Graduated from PGDE last year so considered 1 year+
in current school.