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Old 14-05-2021, 03:38 PM
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This company is tone deaf.

Recent covid-19 cases involved ST engineers..

They word it as... One outsource person and two of our colleagues...
Apparently if you are perm staff you are qualified to be called colleagues....

If you are outsource, you're classified as outsource person or "outsource labour"..

Shows the way this company treat his staff. Cause sure. The outsource staff is a labour. But the perm staff is a colleague.

Disgusting.

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Old 14-05-2021, 03:55 PM
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This company is tone deaf.

Recent covid-19 cases involved ST engineers..

They word it as... One outsource person and two of our colleagues...
Apparently if you are perm staff you are qualified to be called colleagues....

If you are outsource, you're classified as outsource person or "outsource labour"..

Shows the way this company treat his staff. Cause sure. The outsource staff is a labour. But the perm staff is a colleague.

Disgusting.
During their president's address day, the perm staff can blatantly ask all the outsourced staff to do their work while they go listen to some boring talk. After they come back the work is miraculously done so they can still go home on time.

Or if the company is giving out some things to "all their staff", when the delivery came, the outsourced admin realise that there's only enough for slightly less than a third of the strength because "all the staff" means perm staff. They might as well house all the outsourced staff in separate offices.

They somehow don't see that all these little things affect morale.

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Old 14-05-2021, 04:03 PM
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During their president's address day, the perm staff can blatantly ask all the outsourced staff to do their work while they go listen to some boring talk. After they come back the work is miraculously done so they can still go home on time.

Or if the company is giving out some things to "all their staff", when the delivery came, the outsourced admin realise that there's only enough for slightly less than a third of the strength because "all the staff" means perm staff. They might as well house all the outsourced staff in separate offices.

They somehow don't see that all these little things affect morale.
Should join SME la. Everyone is perm in SME.
But SME no promotion. No career growth.
And all perm staff can be Terminated in SME as and when the company see fit..

So yep

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Old 14-05-2021, 04:44 PM
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All kpkb fresh grad pay hire. Quit and go study again, be fresh grad again la.
If every fresh grad come in must take the same pay as you last time "3.3k", "3.5k" then country Hong gan liao loh.
Siao eh last time Wanton Mee 10cents only eh.
Really jiak ba bo sai pang.
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Old 14-05-2021, 04:52 PM
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Salary should be pegged to the jobscope and responsibilities according to market rate. The way ST sets its wage sounds very weird.
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Old 14-05-2021, 06:24 PM
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During their president's address day, the perm staff can blatantly ask all the outsourced staff to do their work while they go listen to some boring talk. After they come back the work is miraculously done so they can still go home on time.

Or if the company is giving out some things to "all their staff", when the delivery came, the outsourced admin realise that there's only enough for slightly less than a third of the strength because "all the staff" means perm staff. They might as well house all the outsourced staff in separate offices.

They somehow don't see that all these little things affect morale.
It is the same for perm software engineers. All my colleagues left, the attrition rate is extremely high for the managers as well. I have no outsourced colleagues to rely on too.
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All kpkb fresh grad pay hire. Quit and go study again, be fresh grad again la.
If every fresh grad come in must take the same pay as you last time "3.3k", "3.5k" then country Hong gan liao loh.
Siao eh last time Wanton Mee 10cents only eh.
Really jiak ba bo sai pang.
Fresh grad can command high pay.
No prob.

Just make sure can deliver the product.
No more excuses of "he is just a fresh grad"

That excuse of "he is fresh.. no exp" doesn't apply anymore.
Since pay so high. Must be put to work immediately.

Overtime and lots of **** for them. HAHAHAHAA
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Old 14-05-2021, 07:25 PM
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Fresh grad can command high pay.
No prob.

Just make sure can deliver the product.
No more excuses of "he is just a fresh grad"

That excuse of "he is fresh.. no exp" doesn't apply anymore.
Since pay so high. Must be put to work immediately.

Overtime and lots of **** for them. HAHAHAHAA
Lol times are different now. Your lousy degree years back pales in comparison to the degree they have now. Buay song ah? Quit la. So dua kang. If you so good then go exit and find elsewhere la. If not just diam diam heads down and admit fresh grads better than you.
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Old 14-05-2021, 07:26 PM
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Sees like your company is in a mess more than fresh grads are entitled.
Bingo. You really nailed it.
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Old 15-05-2021, 02:56 PM
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Thanx a lot I am the question asker.

1. Yes, we have a defined PDP. The PDP is an old set up based on the existing ISO9001. It was designed by a former Project manager also from another MNC when he was retrenched from there but deliverables are flexible after he left and now not all follow it. Something I really want to change. Do you have any recommendations? There is a fixed MSA for all the customers and there is a clause that covers compensation. But the MSA is reviewed only customer to customer and it is signed with customer during concept stage.

2. There is a tooling stage buy off which the stakeholders have to sign off. This is during after customer accept the concept. The stakeholders include engineering.

3. For this one I am very impressed with you. I went to check and found engineering has budget from another project that have leftover budget after their other tooling was accepted in their other still in force project. So the engineering team still has access to that other budget. But this is something I really never thought of because they submitted using the tool request of my project with the other project code using its leftover money and got approval. I already escalated this and the boss was also quite impressed with your tips and told the engineering not to do it again. Procurement also was shock because they didn't know. The other project's manager was also shock but has to include this extra expenditure into their KPI.
I'm glad I was able to help in some ways. As for the part that you wanted to change something that's already inculcated as a company culture, I can only wish you the best. Enforcement need to come with support from management.

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Mnc jiu ish mnc. You must have MBA otherwise cannot answer like so expert pm de.
Thanks for the compliment. But I am only a diploma holder.


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