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Old 08-03-2021, 03:42 PM
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All the more reasons don't join.
Your colleagues all are like 2nd lower, private uni, diploma, won't respect you fch for being privileged.
You won't gain any respect here.

So don't join better.
Join dsta or a star those scholars places so your can flaunt your FCH amongst each other. Then they can compare dual degree or MIT or business degrees or master or PhD.

Don't come ST cause ST engineers, including management are all average students, so is average employee now
haha once in industry, degree class matters meh? i tried DSTA mid term scholarship instant reject wor, nt even given chance to interview. build my resume gao gao also fail

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so its true fresh grad starting pay for IT close to 4k+ already? any sources? or hearsay from fresh grads in ST? regarding your salary, back in 2008, career coach say the pay was horrible... so i guess its unfortunate to join at that time since your progression will be pegged to starting salary?
Around 2016 ish the benchmark from HR is 3.6k...but 2019 got pay scheme change. So bonus go into base to make it more attractive but annual is the same.

So it's not unlikely frsh grad get 4k now. Cause my junior who joined 2019 asking for 3.5k got offered 3.6k.je was very happy cause company offered him more than he ask. But he didn't know he got the benchmark salary..

So after 1 year and pay change. His base become 4k become happy again. But he didn't realised that fresh grad joining that year is also 4k so he is still getting fresh grad pay after 1 year.

ST is good in illusion

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Old 08-03-2021, 03:45 PM
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just curious, u FCH wouldn have been poached already? I'm surprised you are looking here for information(genuine curious)
ya, got a few IT companies asked me on LinkedIn to go interview with them.. but they looking for immediate start job. I still year 3 doing my compulsory internship. the issue is that im having this dilemma of

Scholarship, low pay, but guarantee fast track career progression
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No scholarship, higher pay and more established companies, but no fast track career progression

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haha once in industry, degree class matters meh? i tried DSTA mid term scholarship instant reject wor, nt even given chance to interview. build my resume gao gao also fail
You'll be surprised. We have seniors join. ST still asking for his uni grades 20 years ago for the grades. Not the honors. They want to see each grade...
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Around 2016 ish the benchmark from HR is 3.6k...but 2019 got pay scheme change. So bonus go into base to make it more attractive but annual is the same.

So it's not unlikely frsh grad get 4k now. Cause my junior who joined 2019 asking for 3.5k got offered 3.6k.je was very happy cause company offered him more than he ask. But he didn't know he got the benchmark salary..

So after 1 year and pay change. His base become 4k become happy again. But he didn't realised that fresh grad joining that year is also 4k so he is still getting fresh grad pay after 1 year.

ST is good in illusion
what role your junior involved in? im assuming AI/Robotics will command a higher pay though
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what role your junior involved in? im assuming AI/Robotics will command a higher pay though
How much they offer?
My junior doing data analytics/data scientist
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How much they offer?
My junior doing data analytics/data scientist
I'm more mechanical engineers but we needed to build the team to have some data analytics machine learning, neural network, so that's where my junior come in.

But in my department, my junior is like that one who is doing data analytics.
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How much they offer?
My junior doing data analytics/data scientist
wa also IT related but the pay not even near mid 4k ah? i thought data/AI/robotics all at least 4.5k+ or even possible 5k+ sia


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haha once in industry, degree class matters meh? i tried DSTA mid term scholarship instant reject wor, nt even given chance to interview. build my resume gao gao also fail
You FCH also lose. I think you lose to dual degree. Those from NUS with MIT master degree kind.
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currently FCH from NTU, planning to apply for SgIS scholarship into ST, aiming to do Robotics & AI in ST. Anyone know how much the starting pay today? Heard from career coach is very high now, like mid 4k, but i see people here still burning ST for terrible pay?? very confused now

Just a hearsay. Don't take my words for the truth. On average this is what you will get. Maybe your starting salary can get >=5k, depending on how you manage to negotiate your package. You enter, you realize pay package from FCH from NTU and other universities almost no difference. You come in even if you are a high earner compared to other E5s, need at least 3 years of grade A straight for promotion or 5 years on average before promotion. You will realize you usually are working for someone who doesn't have your interests in play. If your manager is not favored by his/her manager, even worse. You will probably have to tank a lot of nonsense because you are 'FCH' from NTU. Also your career fast-track or not depending on whether your manager want to fast track you or someone he/she prefers.

SGIS is also half-funded by the ministry and half-funded by ST(not sure about the percentages now). This means that assuming you are 4 years NTU program, you have to serve 4 years of work in ST (minimally) for 2 years of funds that ST paid for.

On a personal note, I tried to go to their AI department many times. I was constantly being told that the AI department is not earning money and finding reasons to cut people. I know the person in charge of their AI department previously. Let's just say he wasn't around after October 2020.


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