PhD salary

is there anyone who know about age?
I am assistant Prof. in with age 38 and have Ph.D. for 4 years.
I am interested to get postdoc in singapore.
and after getting postdoc. is there any chance to apply in industry?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

is there anyone who know about age?
I am assistant Prof. in with age 38 and have Ph.D. for 4 years.
I am interested to get postdoc in singapore.
and after getting postdoc. is there any chance to apply in industry?

Gosh what horrendous grammar for someone who claims to be an AP with a PhD.

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You must be from China. Asst Prof in china has to downgrade to become postdoc in Singapore or vice versa.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I agree that phd holders are more versatile and able to do many more jobs better, but thats a given and they suffer too as they are willing to take lower positions, more is expected of them. So if they promote faster and get paid more its because they work harder too!

This is like the whole foreign talent debate. Singaporeans loathe foreign talent as they compete for your jobs and ask for less. With phds they are singaporeans who ask for the same salary, but do twice the work because they are either more capable, smarter, or just spend more time working and less time COMPLAINING.. And you loathe them.

If you guys continue at this rate, your economic miracle is going to end. The recession is coming. Better find time to upgrade or you will be made redundant.

Having a phD doesn't mean that person will be particularly good at his job. It really depends what job it is. I can tell you that I have been in R&D stat board and that I met a lot of phDs. Some are really smart and versatile. But for every one like tht, there are equal number who are lard assss, can't work long hours, and basically are just 'powerpoint' specialists. I know phDs who have no inkling of the problems faced by industry and totally out of depth in th real world, even though they may have solved lots of pdes in order to get their paper. So it really depends on the person. phD just means they spent a few years studying and doing research.
Also, may I add, when I moved to the industry, i have hired out of job phD holders. For 3-4k only. And I found working with them tedious. They tend to fall bck on their phDs, and there is a certain ego there that stops them from getting their hands dirty. For eg, we needed to test comms and didn't have a proper serial port, so I asked this phD to go make one quickly (check the pin connections and solder). He didn't really look happy doing it, and later one of my engineers checked (vietnam engineer 3k salary), the pins where soldered all wrong. This is 'phD'.

come teach in NUS, NTU.

Assistant Prof: 84,000 up
Associate Prof: 108,000 up
Full Prof: 144,000 up
Distinguished prof: 200,000

All figures are in annum.

do professors in NUS NTU get 13th/14th month bonus? or any other monetary bonuses?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

come teach in NUS, NTU.

Assistant Prof: 84,000 up
Associate Prof: 108,000 up
Full Prof: 144,000 up
Distinguished prof: 200,000

All figures are in annum.

seriously the pay sucks. MOE teacher gets more...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

seriously the pay sucks. MOE teacher gets more...

boy are u crazy? MOE teacher not even 50k

Originally Posted by Unregistered

yes, Phd experience is valued. Usually, Phd is hired as Senior Engineer which most MS or undergrads will take some time to reach after working. So, you do skip 2-3-4 years.

PhD is valued only if you are in a relevant industry. PhD in Engineering has no value if you actually tried to be a marketing manager.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

After that, if you are good, you can rise faster. Phd is advantageous in my opinion even if u go in a unrelated area. But u will have to learn new stuff which is not that hard since u can read n learn. U have to realize that People in Industries are mostly good at One Single thing. They lack diversity. But Phd gives u an edge to adapt quickly. Ur Phd will help bcus it taught u one skill most people dont have ----i.e., How to SEEK KNOWLEDGE

Anyone who is good and can pickup skills fast can rise in their job fast. PhD does not mean you can pick up things fast. Some soft skills are very hard to pick up after you are past a certain age. Actually PhDs are very specialized and lack diversity and broadbased knowledge typical middle mangers will need.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

U shd realize that as PHD , u know one topic but not others. If its not relevant to your new job, many MS and undergrads will know better than you. But people hire Phd hoping that you can learn fast. So, if you are new to the area, it may take time but you will have to cope up.
MSc research is not so important. But still MSc is more of a specialization than BSc.

Agree... and you will be under alot of pressure if you are drawing alot of salary while the diploma guy is learning faster than you.

I think the best scenario is where the organisation sponsor the employee for the PhD while at the same time paying him his monthly salary + annual bonuses + annual increment. Upon the completion of the PhD, the employee will have a cushy job and an enhanced career track awaiting him. But I guess only civil service offers such an opportunity. It comes with a 8 year bond by the way.