PhD salary

Originally Posted by Unregistered

PhD Big ****.

everywhere you go now there are PhD holders. Stay in education where you belong and leave the other jobs in 'unrelated' fields to those with BSc and MSc.

there are too many PhD holders now, taking jobs ranging from research to corporate functions and it's driving down our salaries and progressions.

if you have a PhD in Engineering, you should stay in Engineering where you BELONG.

If you're really not happy with people that has a PHd.. Go and earn your own if you got what it takes lor... Phd holders has just the same rights as anyone to choose whatever job scope of industry they want to take up..

Originally Posted by Unregistered

If you're really not happy with people that has a PHd.. Go and earn your own if you got what it takes lor... Phd holders has just the same rights as anyone to choose whatever job scope of industry they want to take up..

While harsh, truth is this is the sentiment felt by many. Phd holders doing managerial positions are being looked upon as 'spoiling market'.

Phd holders tend to work longer hours as they are used to it, and also take failure very well. This seems to be part of the process of getting the paper. They also don't need to upgrade further so do not take time off for study..

In short They are favoured by employers and bosses, but to the fellow colleague, they just raise the bar.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

While harsh, truth is this is the sentiment felt by many. Phd holders doing managerial positions are being looked upon as 'spoiling market'.

Phd holders tend to work longer hours as they are used to it, and also take failure very well. This seems to be part of the process of getting the paper. They also don't need to upgrade further so do not take time off for study..

In short They are favoured by employers and bosses, but to the fellow colleague, they just raise the bar.

Wah steady leh! Because PhD holders may be more hardworking and capable, they should only do certain jobs? Isn't it like saying that colleagues who is more capable and hardworking should go be a coffee boy, instead of whatever he is now?

CMI then go and improve lah, why go around blaming others? So many O level have became big bosses. Not happy, be your own boss and hire PhD and F them up side down lah!

I agree that phd holders are more versatile and able to do many more jobs better, but thats a given and they suffer too as they are willing to take lower positions, more is expected of them. So if they promote faster and get paid more its because they work harder too!

This is like the whole foreign talent debate. Singaporeans loathe foreign talent as they compete for your jobs and ask for less. With phds they are singaporeans who ask for the same salary, but do twice the work because they are either more capable, smarter, or just spend more time working and less time COMPLAINING.. And you loathe them.

If you guys continue at this rate, your economic miracle is going to end. The recession is coming. Better find time to upgrade or you will be made redundant.

Actually not many singaporeans took up PhD. In my cohort, think only 4 or 5 local students did our postgraduate. Zero stayed on with the academic.

Many smarter students (including the top student) left for the industry. 2nd in the cohort left after Masters. Only know of 1 local who became an Asst Prof.

Generally, first class is good enough for most positions. Even if you have a PhD, your first degree still matter a lot. PhD honestly, valued, but not highly valued in industry. As mentioned, you get at most one grade above entry level.

However, it is worrisome that Singaporeans taken to blaming PhD for their own lack of ability. FT, I can still understand since they may not stick with SG on the long run.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I am amazed by your post. Shouldn't a research have an open mind? Why would people act maliciously just because you have a PhD?

I don't think the first thing that comes the mind of colleagues I worked with, is that I am a PhD. Earn your colleagues' respect by showing that you're worth your salt and I am sure they would give you yours.

As for interviews, how do you know that the hiring manager does not have a PhD? If the reason they don't hire you is because of your PhD, why would they waste their time to even interview you? Some decisions not to hire were not due to their PhD, but their comm skills or expectations.

For interviews, of cause you can know the manager's education background. Do not forget you also can ask them question during the interview. I agree with you, some of the decision is made because of comm skill or other reason. But I do meet some people not in these way.

Why would people act maliciously just because you have a PhD?
Because just like someone said here, phd promote faster and get paid more if they work harder too! I am not saying every people act maliciously becasue of that. some of them are nice and helpful but some of them are in another way. But I guess same situation are everywhere. Not only phd face the problem.

For a phd, my suggestion is that apply for a job they require a phd. Do not take low positions.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

PhDs are getting so common that even in the polytechnic context, they derive the same pay and career path. The is the direction that Singapore is heading towards.

for my experience, phd is usuallly hired as scientist, but some of polytechnic student also can get the position if they continues study to get a master degree with several years of working experience.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

PhDs are getting so common that even in the polytechnic context, they derive the same pay and career path. The is the direction that Singapore is heading towards.

for my experience, phd is usuallly hired as scientist, but some of polytechnic student also can get the same position if they continues study to get a master degree with several years of working experience. I think it is lucky for polytechnic students in Singapore, because in many other country, you can not get this kind of career path.

in my dealings with PhD holding colleagues doing admin positions, i have realised some consistent features (as compared to my masters and MBA colleagues)

-they do not mind working long hours
- while others think of resigning, they continue working normally after being out down/scolded by bosses (afternote: being put down and scolded is supposedly a research module in obtaining a PhD as I have been told)
- they adhere to deadlines very strictly
- they complain less about salary. - i understand from one that doing admin positions in a stat board/ministry is already a pay cut, so their motivations are beyond monetary.

but the downside is:

- they are particular about the presentation of results ("spoil market" if you ask me, and they are hard on their staff)
- they take it very hard on themselves when things go wrong.

[miwashi]

they are trained to excel and go for perfection.
i have some ex classmates who kept failing their phd defence
and kept improving