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Old 01-12-2018, 09:28 AM
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Are UK non oxbridge universities really that bad? Why do you guys call them degree mills . Their graduates can practice in Singapore all the same too right.
Well.. if these unis arenít difficult to get in. They donít reject any applications, donít conduct interviews before offering a place, donít take much intellect and hard work to get a secondupper/ first, itís quite like a degree mill, no? Their graduates may be able to practice but thereís no saying whether they are good or bad lawyers. Likewise, Oxbridge/local uni grads might not be good lawyers as well.

Iím a practicing degree mill grad myself so no hate here. Which uni you are from is more like a stepping stone to get hired at a bigger/ better/ superficial firm. One can get hired by a law firm and practice just because the firms need the manpower, not because they truly value you. However, you become a better practicing lawyer based on your work experience with your boss (whether good or bad working style or temperament) and his clientele, which will help you when you become partner in the future.

Itís just easier for the public and fellow learned friends to judge a lawyer based on the Uni or school or law firm they are from because itís hard to pick out other differentiating factors until one actually works and interacts with them.

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Are UK non oxbridge universities really that bad? Why do you guys call them degree mills . Their graduates can practice in Singapore all the same too right.
law is prestige driven. even many years into practice, you will be judged at face value based on whether you practice at a "top ranked" firm or not, or whether you come from a "top law school" or not. this is far from unique to singapore. in the UK, if you will be judged just as harshly if studied in a non-russell group/oxbridge law school; in the US, if you're not from the T14 law schools, big law firms will hardly take a second look at you.

truth is, academic ability is only really relevant in a select few areas of practice, eg commercial litigation, or some areas of transaction work, where intellectual brainpower gains you an edge over opponents/competitors.

at the partners' level, law is more of a business. that means being a good lawyer means knowing how to schmooze with clients, network, and sell yourself and your team. EQ is something that academic ability can't help bolster.

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Did you just dig up a 1 month old post (that was in response to an obvious troll post) ...
Yah I did. Was seeing if I can apply to the firm mah.

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Hi everyone, I'm holding on to an offer from NUS Law with bond-free scholarships from NUS and a local bank. I've also been shortlisted by Cambridge and I'll be having my interview sometime this month.

From your experience in the industry, is a legal education at Oxbridge necessarily better than one at NUS? Also, do local bond-free scholarships carry any weight in the legal industry?

My sensing now is that studying at Oxbridge brings about three main advantages in the form of the prestige that accompanies these schools, the rigour of the legal education in view of the tutorial system, and the possibility of qualifying and working in the UK. I do not mind working in the UK in the short run (+-10 years) but would ultimately want to settle down in SG after obtaining international experience.

But at the same time, NUS offers a free university education, great profs who are well versed in the local laws, and a direct path to qualifying and practising in SG. Granted, the cost is not really an issue for me as my parents are able to sponsor my university education.

I would appreciate if you could share your thoughts
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Hi everyone, I'm holding on to an offer from NUS Law with bond-free scholarships from NUS and a local bank. I've also been shortlisted by Cambridge and I'll be having my interview sometime this month.

From your experience in the industry, is a legal education at Oxbridge necessarily better than one at NUS? Also, do local bond-free scholarships carry any weight in the legal industry?

My sensing now is that studying at Oxbridge brings about three main advantages in the form of the prestige that accompanies these schools, the rigour of the legal education in view of the tutorial system, and the possibility of qualifying and working in the UK. I do not mind working in the UK in the short run (+-10 years) but would ultimately want to settle down in SG after obtaining international experience.

But at the same time, NUS offers a free university education, great profs who are well versed in the local laws, and a direct path to qualifying and practising in SG. Granted, the cost is not really an issue for me as my parents are able to sponsor my university education.

I would appreciate if you could share your thoughts
Pass your interview first then worry about this
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Hi everyone, I'm holding on to an offer from NUS Law with bond-free scholarships from NUS and a local bank. I've also been shortlisted by Cambridge and I'll be having my interview sometime this month.

From your experience in the industry, is a legal education at Oxbridge necessarily better than one at NUS? Also, do local bond-free scholarships carry any weight in the legal industry?

My sensing now is that studying at Oxbridge brings about three main advantages in the form of the prestige that accompanies these schools, the rigour of the legal education in view of the tutorial system, and the possibility of qualifying and working in the UK. I do not mind working in the UK in the short run (+-10 years) but would ultimately want to settle down in SG after obtaining international experience.

But at the same time, NUS offers a free university education, great profs who are well versed in the local laws, and a direct path to qualifying and practising in SG. Granted, the cost is not really an issue for me as my parents are able to sponsor my university education.

I would appreciate if you could share your thoughts
Cambridge anytime. Someone already said in this forum before that the top 3 posts of the 4G leaders are all from Cambridge. Thatís only one reason. But Cambridge is the best university since c. 1209.
More than 800+ years of being the greatest.
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Cambridge anytime. Someone already said in this forum before that the top 3 posts of the 4G leaders are all from Cambridge. Thatís only one reason. But Cambridge is the best university since c. 1209.
More than 800+ years of being the greatest.
If I have a first from Kings, does that mean I am half as good as a Cambridge graduate?
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If I have a first from Kings, does that mean I am half as good as a Cambridge graduate?
Top barrister chambers only hire Oxbridge. Even if itís a 2:1 Oxbridge grad.
Very rare to see a KCL first as silk/door tenants at top sets.
That explains it.
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Cambridge anytime. Someone already said in this forum before that the top 3 posts of the 4G leaders are all from Cambridge. Thatís only one reason. But Cambridge is the best university since c. 1209.
More than 800+ years of being the greatest.
Actually top four posts if you include the Sec-Gen, Chairman, 1A Sec Gen and 2A Sec Gen.
Four of them from Cambridge.
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Hi everyone, I'm holding on to an offer from NUS Law with bond-free scholarships from NUS and a local bank. I've also been shortlisted by Cambridge and I'll be having my interview sometime this month.

From your experience in the industry, is a legal education at Oxbridge necessarily better than one at NUS? Also, do local bond-free scholarships carry any weight in the legal industry?

My sensing now is that studying at Oxbridge brings about three main advantages in the form of the prestige that accompanies these schools, the rigour of the legal education in view of the tutorial system, and the possibility of qualifying and working in the UK. I do not mind working in the UK in the short run (+-10 years) but would ultimately want to settle down in SG after obtaining international experience.

But at the same time, NUS offers a free university education, great profs who are well versed in the local laws, and a direct path to qualifying and practising in SG. Granted, the cost is not really an issue for me as my parents are able to sponsor my university education.

I would appreciate if you could share your thoughts
Personally, I recommend you do the 4 years at NUS Law. After that, go do your BCL/LLM at oxbridge can liao. Here's why:

(1) tbh nus is as good as oxford. most of my profs were from oxford BCL/PHD anyway and teach in a similar fashion.
(2) you can get oxford profs as well when they visit - just take their intensives.
(3) exams are generally open book - why the hell you wanna memorise like mad?
(4) where is it you wanna practice? If you want to practice SG Law, don't waste 1 year for Part A and RLT - easier to just study at NUS for that additional period - heard of oxbridge people failing Part A (bless their souls).
(5) Do your BCL/LLM. you can then call yourself a oxbridge graduate as well. Can take a year off work/get firm to sponsor - life also good.
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