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Old 08-11-2021, 11:01 AM
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Second this. I'm only a second upper from NUS but managed to clinch a couple of book prizes and it has opened doors. I'm definitely not doing as well as JLCs or Firsts but I feel I'm generally punching above my weight.

Law is a prestige obsessed industry, especially for international firms. Build up your profile, get some publications under your belt, plus a few academic awards or Deans list (even from donkey years back) and you'll be a fairly competitive candidate. It goes without saying that you should be coming in from a big 4 at least.

Basically, think of anything that will look good on a lawyer's profile page in an international firm's website, and that should be the angle you should aim for.
The fch are mostly doing very well. So while after 4-5 years of practice grades do not really matter, it matters if you want a career in academia, judiciary or magic circle.
Of course there are small anomalies everywhere where 2:2 eventually do very well.
But itís easier to succeed when the odds are less stacked against you.

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In academia, a fch is very important.
In judiciary, a fch is desirable.
In legal policy making, a fch is the standard.

Reason for the high bar in these 3 areas - you have to be good in the law.
You are teaching the next generation of lawyers in academia.
Youíre also making decisions or creating legal policies on matters that affect the livelihood of people - the law has to be beyond correct. One must also have that aptitude.

In practice, itís different. In a business, you must be likable by your clients. A fch alone is not going to make people like you.



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In academia, a fch is very important.
In judiciary, a fch is desirable.
In legal policy making, a fch is the standard.

Reason for the high bar in these 3 areas - you have to be good in the law.
You are teaching the next generation of lawyers in academia.
Youíre also making decisions or creating legal policies on matters that affect the livelihood of people - the law has to be beyond correct. One must also have that aptitude.

In practice, itís different. In a business, you must be likable by your clients. A fch alone is not going to make people like you.
While true, unfortunately clients do tend to automatically give you more respect and the benefit of doubt when you come from a big firm. Speaking as someone who jumped from a mid size to a big 4. Clients don't really care if you have book prizes etc though so once you're in, your grades and achievements do stop mattering.

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how's the culture like in dentons rodyk?
Be wary and choose your team carefully. i heard banking teams can be toxic.
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While true, unfortunately clients do tend to automatically give you more respect and the benefit of doubt when you come from a big firm. Speaking as someone who jumped from a mid size to a big 4. Clients don't really care if you have book prizes etc though so once you're in, your grades and achievements do stop mattering.
Why are the big 4s placed on such a pedestal lol. Was from one and donít think clients saw me as anything more
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Why are the big 4s placed on such a pedestal lol. Was from one and donít think clients saw me as anything more
More.. than what? You have something to compare to?
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More.. than what? You have something to compare to?
Than a paper pusher
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Be wary and choose your team carefully. i heard banking teams can be toxic.
And incompetent


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And incompetent
That's just the lower tier B4 banking teams. Or actually. It's more like two at the top, one in the middle and the other in the dumps. Avoid the one in the dumps at all costs - i've been amazed at how poor the quality of work from experienced associates in that team can be
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