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Old 21-10-2021, 03:56 PM
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Why is blackoak's turnover so high? More than 3/4 of the people on their website team shot are no longer around

you should go to a Big 4 firm undoubtedly, they have the best mandates from the JMs and liquidators
Blackoak got toxic masculinity culture - also if you note most of their lawyers are males from SMU - if youre not - then dont bother.

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Blackoak got toxic masculinity culture - also if you note most of their lawyers are males from SMU - if youre not - then dont bother.
+1 on this, very hard for certain demographics to work there.

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Old 21-10-2021, 08:55 PM
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NQ - 5.5k

6 PQE - 6.5k
thought the nq only 4.8 actually...

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thought the nq only 4.8 actually...
Is the 4.8 frontloaded?
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Is the 4.8 frontloaded?
if 4.8k still front load, rly toh....
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Serious question. If I want to specialise in insolvency, should I consider Blackoak? Heard Debby Lim left already. Or should I go to bigger pracrice like Rajah Tann or Drew?
The down and dirty truth of the matter is that most firms poach on a hierarchy: Int firms --> big4/"Int Firms"/Certain FLAs + JLVs --> midsizes like HE or SLB --> small firm/chinatown one man firms. Usually, the best you can jump is two rungs, in fact most ppl can only jump one rung at a time.

There are of course exceptions to this rule, for disputes, there are of course top-notch litigators and arbitrators (such as Davinder Singh or Michael Hwang) who make their own smaller firms and command top-tier gradings and are seen as "on par" or even above the usual int/big4 level.

Unfortunately, Corp law (and non-contentious matters in general) almost strictly follows the abovementioned hierarchy, because most clients don't feel there is much of a difference between corporate lawyers (past a certain level), which I have to admit is relatively accurate.

Therefore, the clients mostly choose the firm based on size (and to conflict out the bigger firms from acting against them on litigious matters - i.e. see how most banks hire almost all int firms/big4 firms to prevent claimants from hiring these firms against them). In general, you'll get the bigger deals/insolvency actions in big4 practices than firms like Blackoak.

While I've heard good things about their insolv practice, they have a certain culture that is not for everyone (as has been stated by others in the thread), and their "reputation" is definitely not as good as big4/int firm insolv.

Put it this way, if you trained/assoc-ed at the better big4 insolv teams, you'd likely be welcomed with open arms at Blackoak (due to your experiences with large insolv actions). Conversely, you may not find the big4 as welcoming if you trained/assoc-ed at Blackoak (although it is still possible to jump).
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if 4.8k still front load, rly toh....
Lol this is the typical local sinkie mid size pay lah. Can't even round up to 5k for NQ. Seriously who would wanna join if they had a chance to join other better firms or big 4. Hope our market liberalises and drive all these sinking ship mid size firms out of business
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Lol this is the typical local sinkie mid size pay lah. Can't even round up to 5k for NQ. Seriously who would wanna join if they had a chance to join other better firms or big 4. Hope our market liberalises and drive all these sinking ship mid size firms out of business
Exactly.

I really hate how these salary levels have been normalized, considering the amount of DIRECT profit junior associates bring into the firm. It's really practically slave labor. And the reasoning which partners use "we have to spend time training and reviewing their work" - isn't that time all billed to the client too? If a junior associate spends 10 hours doing a piece of work and the partner spends 2 hours reviewing, that 12 hours goes straight into the invoice.
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Does anyone not think the NOC drama hits home so hard? Reading the anecdotes from the NOC staffs is like reading a snapshot of my life

Break the cycle
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Does anyone not think the NOC drama hits home so hard? Reading the anecdotes from the NOC staffs is like reading a snapshot of my life

Break the cycle
teo la hoot ah knnbccb
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