ST Electronics

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You local uni? you may get a 4k-4.5k offer from ST tech role, yes good work life balance but depending on project and superior

private uni much lower salary. fresh grad

Is that sum inclusive of bonuses/aws?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Is that sum inclusive of bonuses/aws?

Salary is dependent on whether you are a local/private grad
On top of that, your honours classification plays a part (heard first class gets paid a lot more)
“AWS” is factored in your salary.
Bonus depends on your performance.

Yes, there is a vast discrepancy between the salary in ST, even if your degree is not related and you are a first-class fresh with a non-tech background, you are still paid a lot higher than another fresher with tech degree (without first-class/ or private U).

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Salary is dependent on whether you are a local/private grad
On top of that, your honours classification plays a part (heard first class gets paid a lot more)
“AWS” is factored in your salary.
Bonus depends on your performance.

Yes, there is a vast discrepancy between the salary in ST, even if your degree is not related and you are a first-class fresh with a non-tech background, you are still paid a lot higher than another fresher with tech degree (without first-class/ or private U).

Nonsense.
I'm M2 principal engineer been with the company for 12 years
This is the conversation I have with my senior manager division head who been here for 18 years

Boss: this year the candidate all asking price so high.
Me: yes.
Boss: you sure want to hire this guy? He first class honours. They won't stay here long. Will jump to dsta or anything.. Use us as stepping stone. Also very hard to manage fch.
Me: nod.
Boss : this one how? Second upper also can. Asking price also lower. Take this la. Then we can groom him.
Me: okay

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Nonsense.
I'm M2 principal engineer been with the company for 12 years
This is the conversation I have with my senior manager division head who been here for 18 years

Boss: this year the candidate all asking price so high.
Me: yes.
Boss: you sure want to hire this guy? He first class honours. They won't stay here long. Will jump to dsta or anything.. Use us as stepping stone. Also very hard to manage fch.
Me: nod.
Boss : this one how? Second upper also can. Asking price also lower. Take this la. Then we can groom him.
Me: okay

Any insights whether pay is calculated/decided by BU/department or by HR? Since you’re
12 years in the company.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Nonsense.
I'm M2 principal engineer been with the company for 12 years

Engineer - E5
Senior engineer - E6
Asst Principal Engineer - M1
Asst Principal Engineer - M2
Principal Engineer - M3
Senior Principal Engineer - M4
Deputy Chief Engineer - M5
Chief Engineer - M6

It seem that your title for M2 is "INFLATED" to Principal Engineer which support to be M3, hence short changed..

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Nonsense.
I'm M2 principal engineer been with the company for 12 years
This is the conversation I have with my senior manager division head who been here for 18 years

Boss: this year the candidate all asking price so high.
Me: yes.
Boss: you sure want to hire this guy? He first class honours. They won't stay here long. Will jump to dsta or anything.. Use us as stepping stone. Also very hard to manage fch.
Me: nod.
Boss : this one how? Second upper also can. Asking price also lower. Take this la. Then we can groom him.
Me: okay

Ever ask yourself why they will jump? u think only fch will jump and second upper won't jump? what kind of management mentally is that? must be some problem with the company right? thats why people jump? never identify root of problem and solve it, yet hoping hiring second upper will solve the problem. what kind of lousy management strategy is this?

Ever heard of people leave managers not companies? is because of your lousy management skills that's why people are leaving. don't blame people for asking high price and leaving. blame yourself for cannot manage them well and yet want to be a manager.

Very hard to manage fch? i bet you guys are just afraid of them overtaking you. Can't manage well and CMI technical skills. seen a FCH 6 years M2, exactly half of your time.

upgrade your management skills and technical skills. don't go the cheaper and easier way out. that's why ST been losing so much talents nowadays.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Ever ask yourself why they will jump? u think only fch will jump and second upper won't jump? what kind of management mentally is that? must be some problem with the company right? thats why people jump? never identify root of problem and solve it, yet hoping hiring second upper will solve the problem. what kind of lousy management strategy is this?

Ever heard of people leave managers not companies? is because of your lousy management skills that's why people are leaving. don't blame people for asking high price and leaving. blame yourself for cannot manage them well and yet want to be a manager.

Very hard to manage fch? i bet you guys are just afraid of them overtaking you. Can't manage well and CMI technical skills. seen a FCH 6 years M2, exactly half of your time.

upgrade your management skills and technical skills. don't go the cheaper and easier way out. that's why ST been losing so much talents nowadays.

so true indeed

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Engineer - E5
Senior engineer - E6
Asst Principal Engineer - M1
Asst Principal Engineer - M2
Principal Engineer - M3
Senior Principal Engineer - M4
Deputy Chief Engineer - M5
Chief Engineer - M6

It seem that your title for M2 is "INFLATED" to Principal Engineer which support to be M3, hence short changed..

Sorry hor my division engineers is capped at M2.
M3 are managers.
M4 are senior managers.
They don't value engineers. Above M2
Division politics.

The other kind is all project managers.
They even come up with their own term.
E5 - project manager
E6 - senior project manager
M1 - operations manager
M2 - assistant manager
M3 - manager
M4 - senior manager.

So because of this culture. All the engineers quit.
Only those stay long long end up manager. Cause all road to promotion leads to management.

Ask the long history of this division and their original founders. Still here. Haven't left since the inception of this division 20 years ago

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Ever ask yourself why they will jump? u think only fch will jump and second upper won't jump? what kind of management mentally is that? must be some problem with the company right? thats why people jump? never identify root of problem and solve it, yet hoping hiring second upper will solve the problem. what kind of lousy management strategy is this?

Ever heard of people leave managers not companies? is because of your lousy management skills that's why people are leaving. don't blame people for asking high price and leaving. blame yourself for cannot manage them well and yet want to be a manager.

Very hard to manage fch? i bet you guys are just afraid of them overtaking you. Can't manage well and CMI technical skills. seen a FCH 6 years M2, exactly half of your time.

upgrade your management skills and technical skills. don't go the cheaper and easier way out. that's why ST been losing so much talents nowadays.

If you run a division for 20 years and all the long term loyal staff are all 2nd lower or average workers...
You introduce a bunch of first class honours into the midst... Your division will lose its identity

So FCH should just go join those brand names la. Leave ST to all the retiree.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Ever ask yourself why they will jump? u think only fch will jump and second upper won't jump? what kind of management mentally is that? must be some problem with the company right? thats why people jump? never identify root of problem and solve it, yet hoping hiring second upper will solve the problem. what kind of lousy management strategy is this?

Ever heard of people leave managers not companies? is because of your lousy management skills that's why people are leaving. don't blame people for asking high price and leaving. blame yourself for cannot manage them well and yet want to be a manager.

Very hard to manage fch? i bet you guys are just afraid of them overtaking you. Can't manage well and CMI technical skills. seen a FCH 6 years M2, exactly half of your time.

upgrade your management skills and technical skills. don't go the cheaper and easier way out. that's why ST been losing so much talents nowadays.

Don't need talent if you can outsource the work to subcontractors dear.
It's like... Why plant your own rice if you can buy from supplier, why cook the rice or hire world class chef of you can outsource to cheaper cooks.

We just provide the restaurant, customer the rest can outsource... That's how ST operates