ST Electronics

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Director so free. Office hours surfing forums and commenting in forums. Use go DSTA for meeting as excuses then go meet people at canteen to catch up.

Typically management in ST. Complete retirement mode. Please wake up your idea and contribute to the company.

But that's the job of the director what.
High paid so they can funnel those money to buy customer / staff coffee or tea...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Very true. Actually in ST, staff grades are usually tagged to engineer rank. Principal Engineer is M2, Senior PE is M3 but senior managers and managers are M3 and M2 respectively.

So ironically, if a project needs a lead engineer, the M2/3 is the lead, but need manager, the M2/3 can also double as the manager for his own or other projects.

An earlier post say M1 got 2 levels.
Principal engineer is M3..

This means... The grade the rank all gray area one. No standard one.
This division do it like this. That division do it the other way.

So what's the use of a HR if the HR can't control
Like this can power trip and play favoritism.

No check and balance. Can jump from principal engineer to director.
Its clear favoritism.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

An earlier post say M1 got 2 levels.
Principal engineer is M3..

This means... The grade the rank all gray area one. No standard one.
This division do it like this. That division do it the other way.

So what's the use of a HR if the HR can't control
Like this can power trip and play favoritism.

No check and balance. Can jump from principal engineer to director.
Its clear favoritism.

Reorg mah. Its also the boss upthere who choose who lead which division etc.
It's all politics one.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Director so free. Office hours surfing forums and commenting in forums. Use go DSTA for meeting as excuses then go meet people at canteen to catch up.

Typically management in ST. Complete retirement mode. Please wake up your idea and contribute to the company.

Don't be jealous.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Don't be jealous.

Jealous for what.
Engineers also can take tea break during office hours what.

My team we go breakfast until 930 am team bonding then only start work around 10 am.
Then do some work abit. Then lunch liao.

We also go long lunch. In big group so nobody can question.

You think director only can relax ah.
Engineers paid less. We get to relax more

Think about it.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Reorg mah. Its also the boss upthere who choose who lead which division etc.
It's all politics one.

Very true. I knew one Senior PE suddenly parachute to become division manager. It wasn't even announced.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Jealous for what.
Engineers also can take tea break during office hours what.

My team we go breakfast until 930 am team bonding then only start work around 10 am.
Then do some work abit. Then lunch liao.

We also go long lunch. In big group so nobody can question.

You think director only can relax ah.
Engineers paid less. We get to relax more

Think about it.

Lol
I working from home bro. Can whole day on break also can lo.
Poor engineers and directors in ST.

Boo hoo

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Very true. I knew one Senior PE suddenly parachute to become division manager. It wasn't even announced.

It's very weird that a technical person aka senior principal engineer will become division manager...
Like this why don't managers become tech lead then?

Manager job like very easy. Anybody also can do. Tech or non tech. It's a very odd job

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It's very weird that a technical person aka senior principal engineer will become division manager...
Like this why don't managers become tech lead then?

Manager job like very easy. Anybody also can do. Tech or non tech. It's a very odd job

That's why evry Tom dick and Harry want to be managers mah

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It's very weird that a technical person aka senior principal engineer will become division manager...
Like this why don't managers become tech lead then?

Manager job like very easy. Anybody also can do. Tech or non tech. It's a very odd job

There are tech leads who double up as appointed team managers. In name they are managers but they also do engineer work, e.g. software / hardware development.

That's why I agree that that grade and appointments are grey area. M3 can be a engineer still but E5/6 can be a manager. It all doesn't add up. Grade, appointment and pay doesn't necessary add up.

I was E5 and was referenced as a "manager" due to my job scope. I suppose it will make it nicer sounding to customers. Yet, a M2/3 probably earning 2 to 3 times my pay was just a APE or PE doing development work.

Yes, it sounds weird. But that's how it worked at least when I was there.