HR-related Jobs - How much are you earning?

[haiz2006]

Originally Posted by dips

The reason why you are getting no answers is because you are a very confused person who cannot phrase your question properly, how you expect people to answer?

When I ask u earlier whether u are going for ops generalist HR, u say dun want because u want big money great prospect for taking risk etc. But u are not able to say what u want except for “corporate HR” and proceed to list a whole bunch of specialist functions that u want. Excuse me, specialist as oppose to generalist means u specialize in 1 field, nobody can realistically expect to find a job that specialize in everything.

Business Partnering – Masters appreciated, but only valuable if you have prior relevant working experience before taking, it has little value for someone who just study for exam get cert & no experience at all

C&B – HR cert useless, what you need is a CFA, CIPM or Actuary

Recruitment - HR cert useless, you need to build up a good network first, nobody will hire a recruitment specialist straight when u bring nothing to the table

Talent / OD – Masters appreciated, but only valuable if you have prior relevant working experience before taking, it has little value for someone who just study for exam get cert & no experience at all

HRIS - HR cert useless, must have extensive SAP or PS experience and has certifications along those lines

Training - HR cert useless, must have specific professional qualifications from key programs

So you will ask then what kind of ppl will take up HR diplomas/degree/masters? Sadly mostly is the generalist ops admin people whose job u dun want to take up.

Each specialization has different strategies to break into, but getting general HR certs is largely irrelevant for specialist role.

Mine is a new post...you are replying to my new post...but directed at the wrong person ...thansk for the info anyway...

So having 2 years of engineering experience..whats the only chance to get into HR jobs? no need exp to enter? aready used up 2 years and non HR related....

Originally Posted by haiz2006

Mine is a new post...you are replying to my new post...but directed at the wrong person ...thansk for the info anyway...

So having 2 years of engineering experience..whats the only chance to get into HR jobs? no need exp to enter? aready used up 2 years and non HR related....

Which area of HR are u interested in? Specialist or admin generalist?

If its admin then I think u can take the faster route to get a graduate diploma, no value in buying a costly and time consuming masters from nus.

I suggest u try applying for admin roles first, I know some company dun reall care if u study hr as generalist work is mostly follow procedure n is learn on the job anyway.

[haiz2006]

Originally Posted by dips

Which area of HR are u interested in? Specialist or admin generalist?

If its admin then I think u can take the faster route to get a graduate diploma, no value in buying a costly and time consuming masters from nus.

I suggest u try applying for admin roles first, I know some company dun reall care if u study hr as generalist work is mostly follow procedure n is learn on the job anyway.

Thanks for your sincere information...
I think for me I wan a generalist role which I can know the basic singapore employment law, employee relations, manpower, payroll, compensation and benefits, performance appraisal. I feel all these are the basics for a Generalist should know before venturing into business partnering...

But with a degree in eng..its hard to draw more than 3k as human resource executive.. unless i find myself in shipyard or oil firm which can pay a bonus high enuff to cover my low basic pay cut pay...

matter most is...exp is more valuable than paper...unless I got a chance to enter a generalist role..employer will tink i m too expensive to hire a deg holder with no HR exp and HR cert

Originally Posted by haiz2006

Thanks for your sincere information...
I think for me I wan a generalist role which I can know the basic singapore employment law, employee relations, manpower, payroll, compensation and benefits, performance appraisal. I feel all these are the basics for a Generalist should know before venturing into business partnering...

But with a degree in eng..its hard to draw more than 3k as human resource executive.. unless i find myself in shipyard or oil firm which can pay a bonus high enuff to cover my low basic pay cut pay...

matter most is...exp is more valuable than paper...unless I got a chance to enter a generalist role..employer will tink i m too expensive to hire a deg holder with no HR exp and HR cert

Just want to point out it is rare for ops to transit to business partner later. Although BP deals with same things like C&B, manpower, performance etc, the angle they come from is totally different.

You are right in that most co. do not pay 3k for entry level generalist ops. You will need to quote ~2.4k to be competitive, I know a lot of young grad girls go in at 2-2.2k, but since you have work 2 yrs before, can ask a little higher.

Alternative is to go public sector with NS, honors etc should reach 3.1k, but then there will totally no hope of moving to BP.

Hi all,

I am a fresh graduate from NTU with an honors degree in Business and am being offered a position in a HR C&B Consulting company as an entry-level analyst. It's quite a niche field so it's kinda hard to get salary information about it but is $3k a reasonable starting salary? It won't exactly be a bed of roses kind of job and definitely not 9-6. Entry-level positions in HR consulting is quite difficult to come by and it is something that I wish to do and hopefully branch into in-house C&B in the future.

If you managed to get into HR C&B should be good.
I think 3K to 4K is the market rate.

Anyway I am a fresh graduate in UNiSIM. I am looking to go into recruitment consulting. anyone who is working in reputable Recruiment agency that could reccommend me. 4 years working experience as a quality control technician in food manufacturing while studying HR management part time.

Thanks.

John

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi all,

I am a fresh graduate from NTU with an honors degree in Business and am being offered a position in a HR C&B Consulting company as an entry-level analyst. It's quite a niche field so it's kinda hard to get salary information about it but is $3k a reasonable starting salary? It won't exactly be a bed of roses kind of job and definitely not 9-6. Entry-level positions in HR consulting is quite difficult to come by and it is something that I wish to do and hopefully branch into in-house C&B in the future.

3k is the norm for data side but low for the management consultancy side, so it depends which business line you are joining.

But be careful on the firm you join as not all C&B consulting companies have the same CV value. In general for career building purposes Tier 1 firms are good & I would recommend accepting the low pay & long hours just to build up your CV.

Tier 1:
Mercer
TW
Aon

Tier 2:
Hay
HRBS

Tier 3:
Various local boutique firms

Originally Posted by dips

3k is the norm for data side but low for the management consultancy side, so it depends which business line you are joining.

But be careful on the firm you join as not all C&B consulting companies have the same CV value. In general for career building purposes Tier 1 firms are good & I would recommend accepting the low pay & long hours just to build up your CV.

Tier 1:
Mercer
TW
Aon

Tier 2:
Hay
HRBS

Tier 3:
Various local boutique firms

I'm an engineering grad, who has ventured into training & development field, and also play the role of change agent like uplifting customer service. Kindly advise if possible to venture into these consultancy firms?

Originally Posted by paperclip

I'm an engineering grad, who has ventured into training & development field, and also play the role of change agent like uplifting customer service. Kindly advise if possible to venture into these consultancy firms?

These firms generally prefer people with strong numeracy skills and/or Finance background.

As for your experience in things like training / development, projects that improve customer service etc. you would be better off joining a coaching firm or niche boutiques specializing in certain industries or functions.

I do not think the Tier 1 / 2 firms will be interested in these areas as these sectors are pretty low margin competing with hundreds of one-man show consulting companies.

[cbee]

Originally Posted by dips

3k is the norm for data side but low for the management consultancy side, so it depends which business line you are joining.

But be careful on the firm you join as not all C&B consulting companies have the same CV value. In general for career building purposes Tier 1 firms are good & I would recommend accepting the low pay & long hours just to build up your CV.

Tier 1:
Mercer
TW
Aon

Tier 2:
Hay
HRBS

Tier 3:
Various local boutique firms

By data side do you mean the number crunching, data grabbing, modelling, preparation of excel spreadsheets, etc? I kinda fall under tier 3 unfortunately