Career as Teacher

Need some advice here.

I left MOE before covid and returned during covid.

I recently entertained thoughts of opening posting to HQ as i felt that my school has no plans to groom me to become a KP.

But recently I got promoted to GEO5. This is completely unexpected as I just got promoted to GEO4 in 2022, 1.5yrs after returning to service.

Which leads me to my question, should i stay on since the school seems to be ranking me well and recognizing my efforts and contribution? but no one sound me out on whether i am keen to be a KP

Originally Posted by Unregistered

There's some misconception here as well. Promotion has slowed for average performers, but it's still quite fast for strong performers. I have been at my school for 10+ years and have seen plenty of 2-3 year promotions from GEO 3 to 4, and 3-4 years from GEO4 to 5. GEO5 to SEO1 and SEO1 to SEO2 usually longer but there's also some who get it in 3-4 years per grade. Not scholars, just good performers.

In a way the system is actually correcting itself? Gone are the days of just cruising and getting promoted, but if you are a consistently strong performer and your school KPs/SLs aren't toxic, chances are you will be recognized and get promoted.

The concept of "average" and "strong" has also changed over the last 5-10 years though.

And history does matter. Some ROs now may not even be teaching as well as his/her subordinate, but in the past they managed to rise up so fast to their current position now.

The bar has been raised so much already.

If we zoom out and look at the bigger picture now, a high performing GEO3 will need to have a portfolio that covers almost everything (IP and non IP related), while specializing in some of his/her strengths (leadership role e.g. IC-ship or being extremely skilled in something). Most of such officers' lives revolve only around work. We can already see so many SEOs and GEO5s (can also guess their ages already) remaining single or childless by choice due to the demand of work. Gotta sacrifice something to climb. Those able to juggle work and everything else are either rare, or have some sort of external support (rich or free spouse, family etc)

There is also that element of luck of having a good RO who fights for you and SLs who are fair.

In a human centric type of industry, your progression is a lot more complex than other sectors like tech or finance. Right here, it is a combination of arbitrary numbers, proper connections and finally, luck.

To put this in a more crude way, the complexity and demand of this industry now ensures a constant flow of officers resigning, remaining stagnant, being recruited and finally, being promoted, no? Bell curve model for fairness, no?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

they may rotate, but eventually the hod are still the ones determining the performance and promotion, evil hod will just attack another set of hardworking teachers. so i really dont see the point of this. if its abt rotating the hod DOWN and letting others rotate upwards then maybe that will be better.

1) If HODs really want to stay in their school, they'll need to either step down or switch to teaching track (or… well, be old).

2) If they choose to retain their HOD appointment and switch school, they'll be forced to work and show their worth in the new environment. For those who aren't able to do so, a number will end up choosing to step down.

Overall, even if it doesn't solve 100% of the 'problem' you have outlined, it's quite likely to reduce it… no?

anyone throwing in letter soon?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

anyone throwing in letter soon?

Yes. 9th year geo 3 here. Throwing letter on 31 March

Originally Posted by Unregistered

just got notified that i am getting promoted to SEO1. this is my 10th year in trained service.

suffered a lot along the way, promotion doesn't feel that good

i hope that u now don’t inflict suffering on others. takes a lot not to most KPs are vile, at least hypocritical if not downright evil, it’s how the system works. ****ing hypocrites given the profession. am sure many will burn in hell

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yes. 9th year geo 3 here. Throwing letter on 31 March

because of the slow promotion? any plans for next job?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The concept of "average" and "strong" has also changed over the last 5-10 years though.

And history does matter. Some ROs now may not even be teaching as well as his/her subordinate, but in the past they managed to rise up so fast to their current position now.

The bar has been raised so much already.

If we zoom out and look at the bigger picture now, a high performing GEO3 will need to have a portfolio that covers almost everything (IP and non IP related), while specializing in some of his/her strengths (leadership role e.g. IC-ship or being extremely skilled in something). Most of such officers' lives revolve only around work. We can already see so many SEOs and GEO5s (can also guess their ages already) remaining single or childless by choice due to the demand of work. Gotta sacrifice something to climb. Those able to juggle work and everything else are either rare, or have some sort of external support (rich or free spouse, family etc)

There is also that element of luck of having a good RO who fights for you and SLs who are fair.

In a human centric type of industry, your progression is a lot more complex than other sectors like tech or finance. Right here, it is a combination of arbitrary numbers, proper connections and finally, luck.

To put this in a more crude way, the complexity and demand of this industry now ensures a constant flow of officers resigning, remaining stagnant, being recruited and finally, being promoted, no? Bell curve model for fairness, no?

This isn’t really a bad thing? Most jobs have evolved, and the demands of teaching have too.

Teaching your own IP subject is only one part of a modern teacher’s work, there’s many other things that are important and the system has evolved to recognise that.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi, I'm a BT, mid career and PGDE graduated in 2022 and ranked GEO3 upon confirmation. Level rep and house master for the past 2 years in this school. Just gotten my promotion to GEO 4 last week. Not FCH. Is my CPE good?

OP here...typo in my post..what I meant was CEP

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This isn’t really a bad thing? Most jobs have evolved, and the demands of teaching have too.

Teaching your own IP subject is only one part of a modern teacher’s work, there’s many other things that are important and the system has evolved to recognise that.

there's both good and bad...

but if we look at the "bad", the younger officers have it much worse then those in their 40s and older. the older KPs are also able to escape some of the modern demands, by arrowing their subordinates to do it