Career as Teacher

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I wonder too. When you cross from one ministry to another, does your 'long service award' continue or got reset at the new ministry?

For transfers, you keep your years of service

If you quit one scheme and join another, then the years of service reset to zero

As for the previous qsn on movement policy, don't think the usual rules apply. Teaching paygrades are tied to years of experience as EOs.

Unlike other schemes where you could cross over and they match your paygrade in the new schemes, untrained teachers must start at GEO2.

Considering that AEDs who had taught for a decade in schools still had to start from GEO2 when emplaced on EO scheme, don't think a newcomer would be exempted.

What they can probably do is to put you on the maximum end of the payscale, and try to accelerate your promotion.

[Munchen]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi all, just wanna ask how significant of a paycut for a mid-career switcher. Am currently 38, drawing 7.3k in the civil service. Looking to switch over to a career in teaching.

Better think twice. I mid career switch. Especially in teaching where it is super hierarchical. You basically have to kowtow to people a decade younger than you.

Originally Posted by Munchen

Better think twice. I mid career switch. Especially in teaching where it is super hierarchical. You basically have to kowtow to people a decade younger than you.

I think it's it's okay to learn / kowtow from people even though they might be a decade younger than me.
but it's def not ok to kowtow esp to scholars who have only 2 years of classroom teaching before they start jumping up to head and manage people, and expect the farmers to give in to their ideas to fulfil their KPIs.

is MOE trying to prove that their investment is correct by promotion of scholars?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think it's it's okay to learn / kowtow from people even though they might be a decade younger than me.
but it's def not ok to kowtow esp to scholars who have only 2 years of classroom teaching before they start jumping up to head and manage people, and expect the farmers to give in to their ideas to fulfil their KPIs.

is MOE trying to prove that their investment is correct by promotion of scholars?

Not just MOE. It's like that everywhere with scholars

guys the income tax, how much are you able to do tax relief? its just so much to pay back, considering how much we slave

[JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

guys the income tax, how much are you able to do tax relief? its just so much to pay back, considering how much we slave

How much is a lot to pay back? I feel like you may have just entered the bigger bracket tax (7%), so your tax may feel like it jumped up by a lot?

I remember also feeling it when I see a 4-digit sum.

But think about it, check your annual income. You actually get way more, which is why you have to pay back more.

SG is not bad already. Compared to other countries. Just manage your budget better, and set aside a sum for income tax.

[JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think it's it's okay to learn / kowtow from people even though they might be a decade younger than me.
but it's def not ok to kowtow esp to scholars who have only 2 years of classroom teaching before they start jumping up to head and manage people, and expect the farmers to give in to their ideas to fulfil their KPIs.

is MOE trying to prove that their investment is correct by promotion of scholars?

I have to speak on behalf of some of these people that you have grouped them under. The "Scholars". Doesn't mean that everyone who has 2 years of classroom teaching, cannot manage people, or take the lead, or give good directions to lead the department/team forward.

Similarly. Doesn't mean that everyone who has 20 years of classroom teaching, can manage people and do the things I mentioned above.

Leadership, can be further enhanced with YIS, but it doesn't mean they do not have innate leadership.

I agree that a small number of "scholars" do not really have the capability to lead. But then you will see them stuck at the SH/LH position and eventually be asked to step down to ST when they have enough YIS. I have seen this multiple times.

So while your above statement may be true for a small minority of these 'scholars', I disagree to this statement where it's not okay to 'kowtow' to 'scholars' "who have only 2 years of classroom teaching before they start jumping up to head and manage people, and expect the farmers to give in to their ideas to fulfil their KPIs."

Good leaders, anyway, will not expect people to 'kowtow' to them. They lead properly. Bad teammates/colleagues however, may be very negative towards 'younger' and 'less experienced' colleagues managing and leading them, thinking that their experience is very valuable (which is true in some cases but very likely not, in the case of bad teammates/colleagues). This makes it harder for good leaders to lead properly because the bad teammates spoil the whole department with their negativity.

These are common scenes that I have seen over my years in teaching. More importantly, embrace changes with an open heart and mind. If they are capable, follow their lead, don't grumble. If they aren't, trust me, the KP side will know, they will eventually be weeded out. If the entire KP group is incapable and covering for each other, then the grass is always greener on the other side.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think it's it's okay to learn / kowtow from people even though they might be a decade younger than me.
but it's def not ok to kowtow esp to scholars who have only 2 years of classroom teaching before they start jumping up to head and manage people, and expect the farmers to give in to their ideas to fulfil their KPIs.

is MOE trying to prove that their investment is correct by promotion of scholars?

Think of the plot in a typical Jin Yong Wuxia drama, these scholars simply have higher inner strength than you, hence, they are able to advance very quickly.

For the rest of us, our inner strength is limited hence, we are farmers. If we try to be like them, we would 走火入魔 instead, like the many antagonists in these same type of dramas.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think it's it's okay to learn / kowtow from people even though they might be a decade younger than me.
but it's def not ok to kowtow esp to scholars who have only 2 years of classroom teaching before they start jumping up to head and manage people, and expect the farmers to give in to their ideas to fulfil their KPIs.

is MOE trying to prove that their investment is correct by promotion of scholars?

Its not MOE's fault. You only need to look at this thread to see how younger teachers are dismissive of older colleagues.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Not just MOE. It's like that everywhere with scholars

Not even scholars. It's a Gen Z problem. Their millenial parents didnt do a good job raising them