Career as Teacher

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I heard that the CEP of cross-level colleagues are higher ...i'm not sure if this is the truth. But looking at how they are promoted, it seems true.

Some Principals favoured cross level HODs than experienced primary school SH/LH.
As a result, results suffered. However, as the PSLE are not made known, it seems alright. Did anyone notice this trend?

not surprised. but they actively want to promote cross deployment so thus may be a carrot. not sure if primary school teachers receive them but the blasting of ces emails have been incessant. there are reasons for this including incorporating more variation on padegody in primary level.

i sense a lot of unhappiness coming from primary teachers.
not sure how to feel abt it ; this leadership vs substantive grade is indeed very diff and is followed most faithfully in JCs where hardly any KPs in some are on Geo scale. then again it did hard to even master content to teach jc so to manage that and take on additional is something.

in sec schools, i heard a lot of variation

Realised for me, my promotion seems to be in a 4-year cycle (other than promotion to GEO 3 within one year after confirmation in appointment).

From GEO 3 to 4, it took me 4 years, though I got a B on the year of promotion.
From GEO 4 to 5, it also took me 4 years. I got a C on the year of promotion as I was away for some time in the first semester.

So I don't know if it will be the same situation for me, as a KP, waiting for the SEO 1 promotion. It's been 3 years so far, this year will be 4th year. So i can only see how it goes next year to see if there's a pattern.

Just curious. So what if there’s a cycle? More important, what will you do, cycle or not?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Realised for me, my promotion seems to be in a 4-year cycle (other than promotion to GEO 3 within one year after confirmation in appointment).

From GEO 3 to 4, it took me 4 years, though I got a B on the year of promotion.
From GEO 4 to 5, it also took me 4 years. I got a C on the year of promotion as I was away for some time in the first semester.

So I don't know if it will be the same situation for me, as a KP, waiting for the SEO 1 promotion. It's been 3 years so far, this year will be 4th year. So i can only see how it goes next year to see if there's a pattern.

If got cycle then can shake leg n wait till nxt promotion lol

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Realised for me, my promotion seems to be in a 4-year cycle (other than promotion to GEO 3 within one year after confirmation in appointment).

From GEO 3 to 4, it took me 4 years, though I got a B on the year of promotion.
From GEO 4 to 5, it also took me 4 years. I got a C on the year of promotion as I was away for some time in the first semester.

So I don't know if it will be the same situation for me, as a KP, waiting for the SEO 1 promotion. It's been 3 years so far, this year will be 4th year. So i can only see how it goes next year to see if there's a pattern.

In which year did you get your GEO5? Were you already appointed a KP by then?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I heard that the CEP of cross-level colleagues are higher ...i'm not sure if this is the truth. But looking at how they are promoted, it seems true.

Some Principals favoured cross level HODs than experienced primary school SH/LH.
As a result, results suffered. However, as the PSLE are not made known, it seems alright. Did anyone notice this trend?

Doesn't make a difference.

There is a huge jam in terms of career progression at all levels.

JC teachers cascade down to sec school, sec sch teachers cascade down to pri sch, some pri sch teachers cascade down to moe kindergarten.

Schools are closing. The excess KPs and SEOs got to go somewhere.

Why do you think MOE is expanding its presence in kindergarten education system?

A lot of schools are already saturated with KPs, so much that they have to expand the HOD room. Sometimes can see entire departments with more HODs than normal teachers. HOD of subject, HOD in non-acad areas, like ICT, CCE, and various YHs and LHs. Haven't include the SHs and AYHs. Super top heavy.

The situation is quite bad, that sometimes the openings simply isn't there, and high CEP people have to find opportunities elsewhere. Sometimes existing KPs are 'forced' to make way for new and upcoming staff. People got bills to pay and family to feed.

Education level is highly correlated with CEP. JC teachers a lot have FCH and masters. CEP is naturally higher than sec school, where average qualifications are slightly lower, where 3rd class and pass degree grads can be found. It's even lower for pri sch, where there are still a sizeable number of diped non-grads, whose CEPs are the lowest and end up being the sacrificial lamb with regards to career advancement.

The way appraisal is done will never change. The powers that be have benefitted immensely from this subjective unfair appraisal system. Why should they sabotage themselves by changing it to be fairer and more transparent?

There is no such thing as meritocracy in public service.

Which director-general, saf general, perm sec has a non-scholar background?

I will only believe in meritocracy the day non-scholars and rise up to become the heads of their respective ministries.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Just curious. So what if there’s a cycle? More important, what will you do, cycle or not?

I do not think there is a cycle... it depends on your CEP as a KP.
A Principal in Bedok once threatened to drop his KP's CEP back to teacher if she cannot find a school to transfer in open posting. So if your CEP is just SEO 1, then will be stuck at GEO 5 till time promotion is up.
It also probably depends the PB in past three years - must have A or B. No C.

Getting promoted to SEO 1 grade also depends how you ranked in relative to your GEO 5 KPs. Especially if ypu are in your 40s, runway is considered short. Nowadays, it is the 20s and 30s who hv a longer runway to get the promotion - hearsay rumours...

So at the end day, MOE HR should also rethink about this CEP structure. Hahaha

Isn’t there gonna be a new secondary school in Sengkang area in time to come?

Where? Where

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Isn’t there gonna be a new secondary school in Sengkang area in time to come?

Anyone knows if there’s a forum where teachers can comment freely on which schools to apply for during open posting?