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Old 14-09-2019, 04:22 AM
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Pls. If you think PAM teachers are easy. You go teach loh
40 teaching periods plus those meetings assembly doing lesson plans or events. Is no joke too
And yes ur office may have ppl keep saying, AIYA YOU PAM CAN LEAVE 2PM. Not exactly true when u are a FT and core CCA. Then when you stay back, ppl will say. STAY FOR WHAT
My buddy is a pe teacher. Damn relaxed and happy.

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Let me explain. I'll use 2 names, A and B as examples.

A joins as a PE teacher and B as an EMS teacher. Both A and B are in the PGDE track at NIE.

Upon graduation, A and B are posted to the same sch, teaching the same level, Primary 4.

Everyday, A (Geo 3) just gathers his class, blows his whistle for a few periods and
is back in the staffroom at 1pm, enjoying .

Meanwhile, B (also Geo 3), has just endured a class of 40 pupils who never seem to hand up their corrections on time.
B also has to set exam papers, praying that the current 6th draft is his last and finish marking 3 classes of math and sci class/homework.

The point I'm making is, it's better to join as a PAM teacher rather than an EMS.

A and B, both GEO 3, are getting the same pay and same holidays but A is able to leave
school everyday at 1.45pm, has no marking to do at home.no book check. No exam setting.

B has to lug home a ton of marking, set stupid never ending exam papers and still chase pupils for corrections because of termly book check!

whoever taught of this "specialisation" for teachers needs to jump off a building.
Speaking from one who has an overview of deployment . EMS teacher myself who once wondered about this specialisation too.

1) PAMS Teachers have much more teaching periods. EMA Teachers can do abit of their marking during free periods even though we all know the few more free periods doesn’t justify the marking load.

2) Demand vs supply. Not everyone can teach and are qualified to teach PAM subject.

3) PAM Teachers generally handle almost everything in their respective department and programmes. They have less manpower but the scale of projects like sports day, art exhibition etc is not any smaller. Regardless of rank and sub grade , these Teachers are expected to be heavily involved in their dept programme

4) schools usually have their own style of ensuring distributing the workload for a more even distribution . Eg involvement in safety committee, events planning

Finally it’s true I always see my PAM colleagues leaving earlier on certain days but I also do see them during their ‘ peak ‘periods when they handle almost everything on their own

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Speaking from one who has an overview of deployment . EMS teacher myself who once wondered about this specialisation too.

1) PAMS Teachers have much more teaching periods. EMA Teachers can do abit of their marking during free periods even though we all know the few more free periods doesn’t justify the marking load.

2) Demand vs supply. Not everyone can teach and are qualified to teach PAM subject.

3) PAM Teachers generally handle almost everything in their respective department and programmes. They have less manpower but the scale of projects like sports day, art exhibition etc is not any smaller. Regardless of rank and sub grade , these Teachers are expected to be heavily involved in their dept programme

4) schools usually have their own style of ensuring distributing the workload for a more even distribution . Eg involvement in safety committee, events planning

Finally it’s true I always see my PAM colleagues leaving earlier on certain days but I also do see them during their ‘ peak ‘periods when they handle almost everything on their own

The sports day, art festival is those one off thing..

End of it all, my buddy said they just mostly recycle from past year and make some modifications.

At the end of the day PAM teachers still have it alot easier.

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Old 15-09-2019, 07:12 PM
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The sports day, art festival is those one off thing..

End of it all, my buddy said they just mostly recycle from past year and make some modifications.

At the end of the day PAM teachers still have it alot easier.
Are ems Teachers required to run programmes and events?
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Old 15-09-2019, 08:38 PM
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When were you promoted to Geo 3? Degree holder? Male or female?
I cannot understand the part about you being promoted to geo 3 months after your practicum.
Warning letter has serious implications. I would say that a delay in promotion is expected to the very least.
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my practicum ends in april/ may if i recalled correctly and my batch mate male were all prpmoted to geo 3 in oct i was only promoted to geo 3 in april the year after( 6 mths aft them) due to that investigation etc etc
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Are ems Teachers required to run programmes and events?
Yes, definitely. Of course, some run even more than PAM teachers.
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Old 16-09-2019, 06:19 PM
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Hello! Just wondering, for a female degree holder from NTU, graduating with a second lower and planning to go through PGDE, what will the starting pay be? In addition, during the untrained teaching stint as well as the time in NIE, what would the 'salary' be like? Thanks for helping ^^
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Hello! Just wondering, for a female degree holder from NTU, graduating with a second lower and planning to go through PGDE, what will the starting pay be? In addition, during the untrained teaching stint as well as the time in NIE, what would the 'salary' be like? Thanks for helping ^^
Have you cleared your interview?

These days, moe are very picky.. We have excess of teachers..
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When were you promoted to Geo 3? Degree holder? Male or female?
I cannot understand the part about you being promoted to geo 3 months after your practicum.
Warning letter has serious implications. I would say that a delay in promotion is expected to the very least.
Can anyone share how long a warning letter delays your promotion? I’m a consistent B-grader (C+ the year after warning letter), but my promotion is delayed.

Looking back, I should have fought against the letter as it the result of something taken out of context.
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my practicum ends in april/ may if i recalled correctly and my batch mate male were all prpmoted to geo 3 in oct i was only promoted to geo 3 in april the year after( 6 mths aft them) due to that investigation etc etc
forgot to add that i am PGDE
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