ST Electronics

Originally Posted by Unregistered

ahbuden, all no skills one. their skills are just play politics and suck up to boss thats how they keep getting promoted. anything just push down to those E5 engineers. work them until they quit. new people join after a while also realised that they are the one doing all the work with no support but their managers take all the credit. so they quit.

then those manager get promoted, not their problem liao.

i still remember my team have an M1 who was promoted to M2 back then. he complained that his pay so low. Complain to us E5 and E6 that his pay 2 ranks above us is so low.

we go to work on public bus and mrt.

he drive a car every day and come later than us everyday.

wanna complain, complain to the wrong crowd bro.

With this sort of management and staffs, how did you all survive the abrasive Corporate world with the competition going on.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

With this sort of management and staffs, how did you all survive the abrasive Corporate world with the competition going on.

People don't come to ST to work and gain a xperience la.
People join ST to retire and play politics, connection

Originally Posted by Unregistered

what you say is true except the E5 are called manager, st nv give them the title, alot is self claimed one.

alot of those jiak liao bee nothing to show case, will just say they are this manager that leader and hope that they will get a better offer.

Title or not nvm bah, amount I getting at of e month more important hehe

Originally Posted by Unregistered

People don't come to ST to work and gain a xperience la.
People join ST to retire and play politics, connection

Wah... liddat better pray no reorg or restructure otherwise made redundant sure SBJL.
But ST wun reorg one lah... stable like tarzan mountain.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Wah... liddat better pray no reorg or restructure otherwise made redundant sure SBJL.
But ST wun reorg one lah... stable like tarzan mountain.

Tiagong reorg soon hor, end of the year.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Tiagong reorg soon hor, end of the year.

ST even reorg also wun retrench one. It is the most stable company in Singapore.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

14 years still just senior engineer meh?
I know of people who 6 years already gone from E5 to E6 to M1.
Then obviously is cannot make it one la.

Cause 14 years outside you would have been principal engineer already.
No standard one ST. Those selected for promotion are their own gang one. Then just arrow all the outsource staff. Dunno how many years ST say will convert outsource to perm. One division can have perm position for managers.

People think ST hire is for talent. Not really la. All those position all filed up by either ex regular la or friend of managers la or connection la. No talent will stay in ST. They only hire for headcount to do the job nobody wants to go. Then their perm staff those senior managers just micromanage you and then take credit for your work. And then this perm staff are the one who get promoted.

Those stay until 14 years are those that can't go anywhere. And maybe since he 14years still just senior engineer and no room for promotion, he probably also bochup lo.

ST alot of snake eater la. Outside you have no skills, bye bye. Here... Different la. The 14 years senior engineer is working. But unlike you, he is working to play politics to climb up the chain la.

This Covid-19 period really show in working world, alot of position is not essential. Just a company money drain.

Where you can have low paid cleaning crew, etc whose job are more essential than all this office workers.
In the past, everyone wants to be "manager". Why? Cause its higher pay and just tell people to do work.

Nowadays the focus have shift to actual talent. Someone who can make amateur video on or male Tik tok viral videos for company is more valuable than so called managers.

Managers are overpriced and overpaid position. Especially in ST, where everyone is a manager. Even in E5 are also called managers. Project manager. Lol.

But the sad fact is ST thrives for under performing people.

Those who are always overlooked for promotion may not be incompetent, it's pure politics at work.

My previous division has a PM who is the management pet. Always given high profile projects, claiming all the credits but pushed the blame. He can't manage projects and he can blatantly tell you in the face he did not keep track of the project timeline.

However, because of his tai chi skills, he promoted from E6 to M3 within 5 years. Projects bleeding money but management trusted his words that the support teams are not performing.

My former division lost a lot of experienced and capable (even new) software engineers because of him. One ridiculous incident was he told the management the software engineers could not come out with a solution for a complaint by customer. The senior management immediately went on a witch hunt. What they do not know was the PM wanted the software engineers to solve an issue which was caused by poor hardware design. When explained to the bosses, they brushed off by saying the software engineers did not communicate and explain fully to the PM. The software team told him since day 1 there is no way software can perform a miracle and solve hardware design issues.

Due to this fact, engineers in all the teams are mostly overlooked for promotion. Out of every 10 promotions, at least 6 to 7 will be the engineers under this PM. How he casted a bad light on all other supporting teams, more than 70% of the staff when I joined left within 3 years. I left shortly after that. Those who left are mostly M2s and above, or the highly regarded E5s and E6s with NTU first class honours.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Those who are always overlooked for promotion may not be incompetent, it's pure politics at work.

My previous division has a PM who is the management pet. Always given high profile projects, claiming all the credits but pushed the blame. He can't manage projects and he can blatantly tell you in the face he did not keep track of the project timeline.

However, because of his tai chi skills, he promoted from E6 to M3 within 5 years. Projects bleeding money but management trusted his words that the support teams are not performing.

My former division lost a lot of experienced and capable (even new) software engineers because of him. One ridiculous incident was he told the management the software engineers could not come out with a solution for a complaint by customer. The senior management immediately went on a witch hunt. What they do not know was the PM wanted the software engineers to solve an issue which was caused by poor hardware design. When explained to the bosses, they brushed off by saying the software engineers did not communicate and explain fully to the PM. The software team told him since day 1 there is no way software can perform a miracle and solve hardware design issues.

Due to this fact, engineers in all the teams are mostly overlooked for promotion. Out of every 10 promotions, at least 6 to 7 will be the engineers under this PM. How he casted a bad light on all other supporting teams, more than 70% of the staff when I joined left within 3 years. I left shortly after that. Those who left are mostly M2s and above, or the highly regarded E5s and E6s with NTU first class honours.

What’s his name ? So I can avoid him in future.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What’s his name ? So I can avoid him in future.

Can't avoid one la...too many such ppl in st

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