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Old 20-03-2014, 01:21 AM
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check your intranet or with HR?
Ermmm dun tink its very ok to ck wif HR, its like hinting at a certain ting.....

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Old 20-03-2014, 01:24 AM
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If the stat board isn't part of the Ministry's umbrella, then yes, you'll have to quit and join. Else it'll be considered as a secondment/transfer.
Ok....thks for the info.....statboard i am looking at is nt under current ministry I am in......there goes my years of service if i join, nt to mention year end AWS and variable!

I heard for statboards, they do not give out any variable bonuses......anybody in statboard can confirm tat?

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Old 20-03-2014, 01:29 AM
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You can try, but I personally think it'll be hard. Unless you're entering as MX11, else there is no way they'll offer you 6k+ (the salary ceiling for MX12 is around 5.8k).

To be honest, AH is just one level up from SO (entry level), and typically a fresh grad takes about 3 years to be promoted to AH level. The fact that they are offering you AH position could mean that they view your experiences as insufficient to be considered for middle management role (Hd - DD level). Then again it's more important to look at the grade which they are offering you (EDB may have different grade scheme as Ministry).

I personally have more than 20% increment when I jumped from a stat board to a Ministry. Though the reasons I could do that was because it is hard to find candidates with relevant experience for my role, and I could "negotiate" as I have offers pending my reply from other agencies.

I would say no harm in asking, they probably have a limit as to how much they can offer you (all HR people would know this). If your request is too much, they will counteroffer. Last word of advice, counter their counteroffer with an additional $100 increment (that's usually their last last buffer).
Thumbs up to whoever u r! u giv such sound n gd advice, am lucky to hav u giv me some opnion......i do have some other offers fr else where.....but i see how it goes.....wil update once i have more details....thks once again!



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Maybe it'll also be useful if you could share the years of experience (both private and public) upon graduation. It'll give us a better idea as to how much you can ask for.
Previously I wking in non govt engineer role...totally nt relevant. However when I joined govt till now, a gd 6 solid years of direct experience
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most degree people in ministries at 35 is only AD. better performer maybe senior AD. very small % hit DD, but i never hear got mid career external hire in at full D level so young. esp ur exp is not even top mnc, but just some glc.
I noe MTI hires fresh degree holders at age 25 n gives them AD appointment.....after 3-4 years, age 29/30 give them SAD appointment aldy......but only the appointment sound damm fantastic for them at their age, but pay is still pegged to MX13 entry or MX 12 after 1yr!
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When you accept the new position then they will contact ur company about the "transfer". HR very busy one leh, if you never accept their position, they wont bother to do anything for you.
ummm so i should inform the new company upon acceptance not to view the case as a transfer, but a fresh hire? at which point should i throw letter to reduce complications?
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Yes, I am applying for a AD position there.

Also looking at applying another job in Ministry of Manpower. I am 35 with 10 years work experience in GLCs.

Can I ask if assuming I am applying for a job directly relevant to what I am doing will they accept me at as Director level?
It is possible for you to apply for an AD position with 10 years of relevant experience. Sad to say, it is impossible to apply for a Dir position with only 10 years, much lest having no experience working in the public sector.

People who are Dir level are usually superscale officers, meaning government scholars or those who've slogged out in the public service for more than 30 years. Even retired LTC from the armed forces only get transferred to agencies as DD level and not Dir level; the only exception is if you're Col and above. But if you are, it'll mean you're a scholar to begin with, so normal circumstances do not apply.
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ummm so i should inform the new company upon acceptance not to view the case as a transfer, but a fresh hire? at which point should i throw letter to reduce complications?
Transfer implies that you will be keeping all your current benefits, length of service, accumulated leaves, CEP, and grade etc. Having said that, you will not see any difference in salary.

I personally think that you should indicate to your new employer that you will resign from the current job, and see if they will offer you a fresh package as a new candidate (which you can then negotiate for salary). After securing the new job (i.e. signing the offer letter), then resign with immediate effect (giving 1 mth notice).
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Ok....thks for the info.....statboard i am looking at is nt under current ministry I am in......there goes my years of service if i join, nt to mention year end AWS and variable!

I heard for statboards, they do not give out any variable bonuses......anybody in statboard can confirm tat?
Different stat boards have different scheme; some adhere to Ministry's way of paying, some don't. I know of some that do away with variable bonuses and accumulate them all into one PB at the end of your appraisal. So they only have AWS and PB in one FY. Their PB will usually be better than that of a Ministry's (maybe 3-4 mths for a C grade).
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Yes, I am applying for a AD position there.

Also looking at applying another job in Ministry of Manpower. I am 35 with 10 years work experience in GLCs.

Can I ask if assuming I am applying for a job directly relevant to what I am doing will they accept me at as Director level?
$6.5-$7k package at EDB for AD position with 10 years experience seems pretty decent. Bear in mind that the bonuses are very good there, I hear commonly above 6 months at least.
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