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Old 19-03-2014, 08:45 AM
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currently MX12, slightly less than 5k, but wif the yearly increment in April, confirm will hit 5K+.....so possible to ask for 20% increase in pay??? (meaning for them to offer me ard 6K+ as assistant head, if i am offered)
You can try, but I personally think it'll be hard. Unless you're entering as MX11, else there is no way they'll offer you 6k+ (the salary ceiling for MX12 is around 5.8k).

To be honest, AH is just one level up from SO (entry level), and typically a fresh grad takes about 3 years to be promoted to AH level. The fact that they are offering you AH position could mean that they view your experiences as insufficient to be considered for middle management role (Hd - DD level). Then again it's more important to look at the grade which they are offering you (EDB may have different grade scheme as Ministry).

I personally have more than 20% increment when I jumped from a stat board to a Ministry. Though the reasons I could do that was because it is hard to find candidates with relevant experience for my role, and I could "negotiate" as I have offers pending my reply from other agencies.

I would say no harm in asking, they probably have a limit as to how much they can offer you (all HR people would know this). If your request is too much, they will counteroffer. Last word of advice, counter their counteroffer with an additional $100 increment (that's usually their last last buffer).

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Old 19-03-2014, 08:53 AM
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currently MX12, slightly less than 5k, but wif the yearly increment in April, confirm will hit 5K+.....so possible to ask for 20% increase in pay??? (meaning for them to offer me ard 6K+ as assistant head, if i am offered)
Maybe it'll also be useful if you could share the years of experience (both private and public) upon graduation. It'll give us a better idea as to how much you can ask for.

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Old 19-03-2014, 09:57 AM
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Lets work it out shall we? Assuming he performed well (grade A for appraisal), and so gotten 5 months performance bonus. Include aws and the rest of the year, he should received 18 months worth of salary. 185k divide by 18 approximates a monthly salary of 10k.

You mentioned that his title is Senior Manager. As the title differs from agency to agency, I would extrapolate his title to be similar to that of an Assistant Director (in a Ministry) based on the number of years he'd worked (10 years). The typical pay for an AD in Ministry will be in the range of 6 - 9k. So yes, it is possible that your friend is drawing in close to 10k a month (exceptional performance through the years, coupled with the market adjustments in the previous years).

Whether NEA pays better than other agencies, I'm not so sure. Commonly known ones that pay better are DSTA, MAS, EDB, Spring, and IE Singapore etc. Usually those economic agencies or agencies under Mindef pay better as compared to the other agencies.
Hi, thank you very much for your help.

Haha, yes the stat board I am applying for is EDB and the HR there "prep" me salary is 6.5-7k range & total package is ~100k, so was very surprise when I heard NEA can pay almost double for a guy almost same age same level (I assume)

Hearing from you I have to conclude my NUS friend is either a super high performer or quite good at exaggerating.

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Old 19-03-2014, 10:04 AM
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Though not impossible as illustrated by the poster above, I find it hard to believe, unless when he said Senior Manager, he was not referring to his title, but to his position in the organisational hierarchy.
I have his name card and it says Senior Manager, (His Department), so I think Senior Manager should be his title.

Looks like he's either super good performer or BS. I am leaning to the latter base also on feedback from others who know him.

Anyway good to know as at first I thought EDB was trying to short change me when I apply with them.
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Old 19-03-2014, 11:27 AM
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Hi, thank you very much for your help.

Haha, yes the stat board I am applying for is EDB and the HR there "prep" me salary is 6.5-7k range & total package is ~100k, so was very surprise when I heard NEA can pay almost double for a guy almost same age same level (I assume)

Hearing from you I have to conclude my NUS friend is either a super high performer or quite good at exaggerating.
Glad to be of help. May I know which title will you be going in as? Will it be Assistant Director as well?

There maybe some truth in what he said if you recalled the recent market adjustments in 2011 and even before. Those are on top of the annual MI and increment for promotion. Though personally, his annual package actually looks more like the standard package for a Director level in Ministry.
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Old 19-03-2014, 04:38 PM
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If the stat board isn't part of the Ministry's umbrella, then yes, you'll have to quit and join. Else it'll be considered as a secondment/transfer.
Does that mean we have to quit at the point of application? If not should the company we applied to contact our company about the "transfer", things might get messy?
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Old 19-03-2014, 05:23 PM
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Glad to be of help. May I know which title will you be going in as? Will it be Assistant Director as well?

There maybe some truth in what he said if you recalled the recent market adjustments in 2011 and even before. Those are on top of the annual MI and increment for promotion. Though personally, his annual package actually looks more like the standard package for a Director level in Ministry.
Yes, I am applying for a AD position there.

Also looking at applying another job in Ministry of Manpower. I am 35 with 10 years work experience in GLCs.

Can I ask if assuming I am applying for a job directly relevant to what I am doing will they accept me at as Director level?
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Old 19-03-2014, 05:52 PM
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if i am not mistaken, a circular was issued recently, stating that there would not be any salary increment for changing of jobs within public service organizations

The content of this circular is true. I am currently in statboard and applied for different ministry positions. Surprisingly, all came back to me with same salary package as my current pay. It seems that Ministry take this circular very seriously. However, I believe statboard are more flexible as they are not strictly bound by such circular.
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Does that mean we have to quit at the point of application? If not should the company we applied to contact our company about the "transfer", things might get messy?

When you accept the new position then they will contact ur company about the "transfer". HR very busy one leh, if you never accept their position, they wont bother to do anything for you.
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Yes, I am applying for a AD position there.

Also looking at applying another job in Ministry of Manpower. I am 35 with 10 years work experience in GLCs.

Can I ask if assuming I am applying for a job directly relevant to what I am doing will they accept me at as Director level?
most degree people in ministries at 35 is only AD. better performer maybe senior AD. very small % hit DD, but i never hear got mid career external hire in at full D level so young. esp ur exp is not even top mnc, but just some glc.
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