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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Though not impossible as illustrated by the poster above, I find it hard to believe, unless when he said Senior Manager, he was not referring to his title, but to his position in the organisational hierarchy.

I have his name card and it says Senior Manager, (His Department), so I think Senior Manager should be his title.

Looks like he's either super good performer or BS. I am leaning to the latter base also on feedback from others who know him.

Anyway good to know as at first I thought EDB was trying to short change me when I apply with them.

Originally Posted by Fina_W

Hi, thank you very much for your help.

Haha, yes the stat board I am applying for is EDB and the HR there "prep" me salary is 6.5-7k range & total package is ~100k, so was very surprise when I heard NEA can pay almost double for a guy almost same age same level (I assume)

Hearing from you I have to conclude my NUS friend is either a super high performer or quite good at exaggerating.

Glad to be of help. May I know which title will you be going in as? Will it be Assistant Director as well?

There maybe some truth in what he said if you recalled the recent market adjustments in 2011 and even before. Those are on top of the annual MI and increment for promotion. Though personally, his annual package actually looks more like the standard package for a Director level in Ministry.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

If the stat board isn't part of the Ministry's umbrella, then yes, you'll have to quit and join. Else it'll be considered as a secondment/transfer.

Does that mean we have to quit at the point of application? If not should the company we applied to contact our company about the "transfer", things might get messy?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Glad to be of help. May I know which title will you be going in as? Will it be Assistant Director as well?

There maybe some truth in what he said if you recalled the recent market adjustments in 2011 and even before. Those are on top of the annual MI and increment for promotion. Though personally, his annual package actually looks more like the standard package for a Director level in Ministry.

Yes, I am applying for a AD position there.

Also looking at applying another job in Ministry of Manpower. I am 35 with 10 years work experience in GLCs.

Can I ask if assuming I am applying for a job directly relevant to what I am doing will they accept me at as Director level?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

if i am not mistaken, a circular was issued recently, stating that there would not be any salary increment for changing of jobs within public service organizations

The content of this circular is true. I am currently in statboard and applied for different ministry positions. Surprisingly, all came back to me with same salary package as my current pay. It seems that Ministry take this circular very seriously. However, I believe statboard are more flexible as they are not strictly bound by such circular.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Does that mean we have to quit at the point of application? If not should the company we applied to contact our company about the "transfer", things might get messy?

When you accept the new position then they will contact ur company about the "transfer". HR very busy one leh, if you never accept their position, they wont bother to do anything for you.

Originally Posted by Fina_W

Yes, I am applying for a AD position there.

Also looking at applying another job in Ministry of Manpower. I am 35 with 10 years work experience in GLCs.

Can I ask if assuming I am applying for a job directly relevant to what I am doing will they accept me at as Director level?

most degree people in ministries at 35 is only AD. better performer maybe senior AD. very small % hit DD, but i never hear got mid career external hire in at full D level so young. esp ur exp is not even top mnc, but just some glc.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

intrinsic motivation
check your intranet or with HR?

Ermmm dun tink its very ok to ck wif HR, its like hinting at a certain ting.....

Originally Posted by Unregistered

If the stat board isn't part of the Ministry's umbrella, then yes, you'll have to quit and join. Else it'll be considered as a secondment/transfer.

Ok....thks for the info.....statboard i am looking at is nt under current ministry I am in......there goes my years of service if i join, nt to mention year end AWS and variable!

I heard for statboards, they do not give out any variable bonuses......anybody in statboard can confirm tat?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You can try, but I personally think it'll be hard. Unless you're entering as MX11, else there is no way they'll offer you 6k+ (the salary ceiling for MX12 is around 5.8k).

To be honest, AH is just one level up from SO (entry level), and typically a fresh grad takes about 3 years to be promoted to AH level. The fact that they are offering you AH position could mean that they view your experiences as insufficient to be considered for middle management role (Hd - DD level). Then again it's more important to look at the grade which they are offering you (EDB may have different grade scheme as Ministry).

I personally have more than 20% increment when I jumped from a stat board to a Ministry. Though the reasons I could do that was because it is hard to find candidates with relevant experience for my role, and I could "negotiate" as I have offers pending my reply from other agencies.

I would say no harm in asking, they probably have a limit as to how much they can offer you (all HR people would know this). If your request is too much, they will counteroffer. Last word of advice, counter their counteroffer with an additional $100 increment (that's usually their last last buffer).

Thumbs up to whoever u r! u giv such sound n gd advice, am lucky to hav u giv me some opnion......i do have some other offers fr else where.....but i see how it goes.....wil update once i have more details....thks once again!