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Whats the background of those who got the sg E&W TCs this year? All oxbridge/NUS fch?? Cant find many on linkedin

majority are fch from nus / oxbridge. nus grads will update LinkedIn after part b

Hi everyone, any thoughts on D&N vs R&T for disputes / training contracts?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi everyone, any thoughts on D&N vs R&T for disputes / training contracts?

go to the one with the super senior counsel

Yo guys, what usually happens on first day/week of RLT (or PTC)?

any tips from seniors pls, would really appreciate. been overthinking this quite a bit to the point of slight anxiety and insomnia, but most likely just nerves and excitement haha

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yo guys, what usually happens on first day/week of RLT (or PTC)?

any tips from seniors pls, would really appreciate. been overthinking this quite a bit to the point of slight anxiety and insomnia, but most likely just nerves and excitement haha

Should be pretty chill, settle the admin and IT matters, meet your SS and perhaps a buddy. If they’ve an initiation training programme, you might get started on that and it might last up to a week. Basically, nothing really serious on the first day, and you should be able to slowly get used to things and be gradually exposed to client files! So don’t worry too much, and just enjoy the process as much as possible!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

new part b syllabus is ****ed with SILE sleeping at the wheel. Previously, candidates only needed to take 6 compulsory modules and 2 of 7 electives. Now, you effectively need to take 6 compulsory modules and ALL 7 of the electives.

How do we know this? Because they couldn’t even be bothered to record new lecture videos for the ‘new’ courses. All of the video lectures are from the old Part B course!

Woah that sounds ****ed up. Seems like they are really trying to push graduates into litigation by forcing them to take all electives.

It doesn't address the main issues why litigation has a higher turnover rate compared to corporate, namely, poor pay, ROC 2021, capped P&P costs among others.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This is a good question. A lot of ambitious and intelligent people drop out of law because they just don't have the personality that it requires.

You need a very specific personality to thrive in law - basically people who think clinically and logically, are detail and process-oriented, and enjoy work that involves extensive document review, drafting, analysing fine details and nuances, and anticipating all the things that could go wrong and pro-actively working to reduce the risk of them occurring. In terms of MBTI, I find that a lot of lawyers tend to be INTJs (which is a personality type that is quite rare in the general population).

To become a partner, you need all of the above plus the ability to sell yourself, impress clients and generate business.

I also think you would need to be very thick-skinned as well. Millennials and zoomers like us have the rules beaten into us and we are conditioned to never argue. But in practice, especially litigation, you need to be very gung-ho and thick-skinned because those are the traits that make a good lawyer.

As a client, you would not want your lawyer to be book-smart and nice but yet lack the necessary aggression to further your interests.

Wow is it common to have an initial TC offer yanked back by the firm after requesting to negotiate the unreasonable honorarium and clawback provision? Guess they don’t want anyone joining them who’s capable of thinking them ridiculous for their exploitative offer.

Law is a scam industry in Singapore.

Imagine sucking so many bright eager young minds and have them grind all day and night just for a measly starting salary of 7.5k for 1PQEs. And this is the top band for local Big 4 firms, just think about the mid tiers paying less than that.

Now with additional barriers along the way like 1 year TC, not to mention other money sucking initiatives like Bar course fees, and exploitative internships. And stinky firms that took on trainees without pay and having the managing partner go on national press embarrassingly and tried pass it off as 'doing national service.' (iykyk)

Is it any wonder why the profession spits out jaded husks of ex lawyers when all is said and done?