Lawyer Salary

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Shut up recruiter. Go back to your 3 hour boozy lunches and 4 hour "work" days on Friday and LinkedIn whoring. The rest of us have real work to do.

Wow. What real work is that? You mean being bitter and getting triggered on an anonymous forum is real work nowadays? Do you charge out in USD for this time too?

Good recruiters know hiring managers will and can spokesperson for you or tell you what pay you should push for. Some are less useful but that’s the same like how some lawyers are from DRD and RHT.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Wow. What real work is that? You mean being bitter and getting triggered on an anonymous forum is real work nowadays? Do you charge out in USD for this time too?

Good recruiters know hiring managers will and can spokesperson for you or tell you what pay you should push for. Some are less useful but that’s the same like how some lawyers are from DRD and RHT.

Most recruiters aren't bright, let's put it this way, and they talk too much bull ****. I would know - one of my exes was a recruiter. the sex was good but the conversations? Let's just say a bit lacking in intellectual depth.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Would just like to say that mid-level (2-5 PQE) transactional lawyers in London and the USA (NYC and Chicago in particular) are in very hot demand, and the usual supply of Aussie laterals cannot happen for obvious reasons.

My firm's M&A team is almost totally depleted (pandemic burnout) and they're desperately trying to lateral. Same for the competition team, funds team, etc.

If anyone is jaded in Singapore and would like a pay bump, I'd advise them to reach out to a recruiter in those countries and look at moving!

Unlike some of the other non-constructive comments, I’d like to thank you for taking the time to share some of your insights.

Building on this, are litigators less likely to find lateral hires? I tend to see a lot of corporate/projects lateral hires but I honestly can’t say the same for litigators.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Shut up recruiter. Go back to your 3 hour boozy lunches and 4 hour "work" days on Friday and LinkedIn whoring. The rest of us have real work to do.

HAHAHA a specific recruiter’s LinkedIn post came to mind when I saw this comment

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Unlike some of the other non-constructive comments, I’d like to thank you for taking the time to share some of your insights.

Building on this, are litigators less likely to find lateral hires? I tend to see a lot of corporate/projects lateral hires but I honestly can’t say the same for litigators.

Naturally litigation is more jurisdiction specific. If you have regulatory, IA or white collar/ investigations experience that would be more in demand.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Naturally litigation is more jurisdiction specific. If you have regulatory, IA or white collar/ investigations experience that would be more in demand.

Quinn Emanuel London just took a Singapore associate as a lateral. Our competition litigation team also does have the odd few Aussies or Kiwis - so rarer but not impossible!

Since we are on the subject of recruiters... I’ve worked with quite a few (both local and overseas) and finally landed a role. It’s always been a hit or miss lol and below is just my two cents’ worth.

1. Not all recruiters are created equal. A good recruiter listens to what you have to say ie role you’re looking for, type of work, culture etc and actively seeks roles suitable for you (as versus asking you to apply for every single role that pops up in the market).

2. Look at whether the recruiter has a good track record of placing hires in the team. This will typically indicate the recruiter has a good relationship with the hiring partners. I’ve come across recruiters who miss the nail on the head completely because they do not understand what type of candidate the partner is seeking but just puts forth your CV. Most recruiters do not tell you this but if they put forth your CV to a specific firm, depending on each firm’s policies, that recruiter may “own” you as a candidate for a year - this is especially common in London or international firms in SG.

3. Keep your CV under lock and key. Do not randomly mass send your CV to multiple recruiters (as tempting as it is). Avoid overly pushy recruiters who don’t take no for an answer. One of my friends had a recruiter put in their CV to a firm they’d expressly said no to applying to. That’s highly unethical. Stay far away from recruiters like this. I would recommend having a chat with the recruiter and testing their knowledge of the market and what roles they are aware of out there BEFORE sending your CV. This is especially so when working with recruiters who make cold calls/reach out to you on LinkedIn and my colleagues and I always find out we’ve received the exact same message. Discretion is key. Always helps if you have seniors/friends who worked with that specific recruiter before.

4. Information asymmetry - some recruiters play candidates off each other for highly competitive roles by sending the weaker ones in and then asking them the interview questions asked by the partners to more adequately prepare their stronger candidates. For each role, some recruiters may put forth many many candidates (can even be 20 CVs). The better recruiters will take a more targeted approach and intentionally put forth fewer candidates better suited for a specific role, and pour time and effort talking to you about the firm, doing interview prep, telling you each partner’s quirks etc. A good recruiter will have an in-depth understanding of the firm and the type of work the hiring team does. When you find a recruiter like that, they can be a powerful arsenal in your job hunt. Always check out a recruiter’s LinkedIn profile to gauge their level of experience.

5. At the end of the day, it’s important to remember that if you get placed, the recruiter makes $$ off you. I think using a good recruiter makes a huge difference (there are more bad than good apples) and it always helps to have someone in your corner when negotiating pay and sign-on bonus.

Not all recruiters will yield you results. It may not be that recruiter’s fault but could simply just be market conditions, over-supply and/or stiff competition for a specific role. Hope the above helps someone out!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Thought BMWL had increases recently?

anyone able to confirm?

What does of counsel mean in the Singapore law firm?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What does of counsel mean in the Singapore law firm?

It means partnership minus the title of partner. But outrank senior associate anytime.